Is it time for Meritocracy in the USA?

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gut

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Feb 23, 2014 1:39 AM
By the way, you and Boatshoes disappeared for like 3-4 months. Did it really take you that long to sign-up for Obamakare?
Feb 23, 2014 1:39am
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isadore

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Feb 23, 2014 8:12 AM
you have no sense of perspective or the degree of loss. The incompetence demonstrated by the national security adviser leading up to 9/11, the false claims about WMDs and on the conduct of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq dwarf the Benghazi incident.
Feb 23, 2014 8:12am
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Feb 23, 2014 9:05 AM
...and you have no sense or perspective of degree of 'incompetence' (your word).
Feb 23, 2014 9:05am
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Feb 23, 2014 12:36 PM
HitsRus;1583557 wrote:...and you have no sense or perspective of degree of 'incompetence' (your word).
the degree of incompetence that lead to 9/11, false claims of WMDs and the inept policies of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan dwarf Benghazi. Ms. Condalezza Rice bears major responsibility for them.
Feb 23, 2014 12:36pm
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Feb 23, 2014 3:10 PM
isadore;1583606 wrote:the degree of incompetence that lead to 9/11, false claims of WMDs and the inept policies of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan dwarf Benghazi. Ms. Condalezza Rice bears major responsibility for them.
Did any person ever blame a youtube video as in the case of Benghazi that was obviously unrelated to the incident? Its almost as if the DEMS brag about being stupid.
Feb 23, 2014 3:10pm
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Feb 23, 2014 4:45 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1583654 wrote:Did any person ever blame a youtube video as in the case of Benghazi that was obviously unrelated to the incident? Its almost as if the DEMS brag about being stupid.
January 15, 2014
Senate Report on Benghazi
“It remains unclear if any group or person exercised overall command and control of the attacks or whether extremist group leaders directed their members to participate,” the report said. “Some intelligence suggests the attacks were likely put together in short order, following that day’s violent protests in Cairo against an inflammatory video.”
The American-made video, which denigrated Islam and was posted on YouTube, set off a number of protests across the Middle East.
An investigation published by The New York Times last month found that anger over the video had played a significant role in precipitating the Benghazi attack.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/16/world/middleeast/senate-report-finds-benghazi-attack-was-preventable.html?_r=0
　
http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/benghazi2014/benghazi.pdf
　
Feb 23, 2014 4:45pm
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Feb 23, 2014 7:46 PM
^^^wow...just unbelievable. Multiple failures from multiple people over and over....multiple intelligence reports ignored...SMH.
Feb 23, 2014 7:46pm
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Feb 23, 2014 10:08 PM
HitsRus;1583710 wrote:^^^wow...just unbelievable. Multiple failures from multiple people over and over....multiple intelligence reports ignored...SMH.
but Condi showed ineptitude and dishonesty on so much larger situations over so many years and costing so many lives.
Feb 23, 2014 10:08pm
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Feb 24, 2014 12:34 AM
gut;1583538 wrote:By the way, you and Boatshoes disappeared for like 3-4 months. Did it really take you that long to sign-up for Obamakare?
LoL you're anti-Obummer obsession is weird...
Feb 24, 2014 12:34am
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Feb 24, 2014 4:43 AM
"An investigation published by The New York Times last month found that anger over the video had played a significant role in precipitating the Benghazi attack."

Is this the same article that the administration even came out to say was incorrect? At some point you have to realize that you're believing in a myth. You are being made into a fool...does that bother you at all?
Feb 24, 2014 4:43am
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Feb 24, 2014 5:05 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1583780 wrote:"An investigation published by The New York Times last month found that anger over the video had played a significant role in precipitating the Benghazi attack."

Is this the same article that the administration even came out to say was incorrect? At some point you have to realize that you're believing in a myth. You are being made into a fool...does that bother you at all?
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Feb 24, 2014 5:05am
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Feb 24, 2014 8:23 AM
...and what of the Big Kahuna himself? The assault was 7 hours long with real time reports on the ground and drones overhead. Who was managing the crisis?
Feb 24, 2014 8:23am
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Feb 24, 2014 7:12 PM
HitsRus;1583805 wrote:...and what of the Big Kahuna himself? The assault was 7 hours long with real time reports on the ground and drones overhead. Who was managing the crisis?
I'm thinking Biden. He has tons of foreign policy experience.
Feb 24, 2014 7:12pm
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Feb 24, 2014 7:53 PM
^^^video everywhere...except the situation room?
Feb 24, 2014 7:53pm
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Feb 24, 2014 11:44 PM
HitsRus;1583805 wrote:...and what of the Big Kahuna himself? The assault was 7 hours long with real time reports on the ground and drones overhead. Who was managing the crisis?
Most likely Valerie Jarrett...

But I still can't believe we've never heard where Obama was and why he wasn't actively involved. Only reason I can think of is A) drunk or stoned or B) gettin' some strange. Quite possibly both. It was, after all, a Sunday - probably some golf with Tiger and then a few 8-balls with hookers.
Feb 24, 2014 11:44pm
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Feb 25, 2014 5:09 AM
HitsRus;1584126 wrote:^^^video everywhere...except the situation room?
You thought I was serious? ;)
Feb 25, 2014 5:09am
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isadore

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Feb 25, 2014 7:24 PM
gosh dwarfed by condi, george and dick's in their duplicity and ineptitude.
Feb 25, 2014 7:24pm
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Feb 25, 2014 8:08 PM
^^^^you forgot Don.


Just goes to show you that no matter who is in "charge", government rarely makes things better.
Feb 25, 2014 8:08pm
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isadore

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Feb 26, 2014 7:27 AM
very true about Don
But with Benghazi there seems to be such a lack of proportion on the right
as compared to the duplicity and ineptitude involved with 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq

or in a more comparative situation with the Bombings of the US embassy and the marine barracks in Lebanon during the Reagan administration
which dwarf Benghazi in their lose of American life and in the unbelievable ineptitude involved.
Feb 26, 2014 7:27am
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Feb 26, 2014 7:47 AM
If you are going to bring that up, then let's not leave out Bill. Truth is, it was a completely different situation in terms of our intelligence capabilities and what they were geared for and tuned into. It's hard to believe that you can make that comparison.
Feb 26, 2014 7:47am
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Feb 26, 2014 8:15 AM
HitsRus;1584686 wrote:If you are going to bring that up, then let's not leave out Bill. Truth is, it was a completely different situation in terms of our intelligence capabilities and what they were geared for and tuned into. It's hard to believe that you can make that comparison.
the situations are very analogous, except for their scale, hundreds of Americans died because of the ineptitude of the Reagan administration
hundreds of American servicemen died because of the incomprehensible rules of engagement inflicted on them by Reagan folks.
Feb 26, 2014 8:15am
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Feb 26, 2014 10:57 AM
lol.
Feb 26, 2014 10:57am
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isadore

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Feb 26, 2014 11:01 AM
^^^^^
gosh a ruddies most people don't find the deaths of hundreds of American service people and diplomats amusing.
Feb 26, 2014 11:01am
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HitsRus

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Feb 26, 2014 12:36 PM
The LOL is at you.
the situations are very analogous, except for their scale
Thanks for making my point about Benghazi !
Feb 26, 2014 12:36pm
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isadore

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Feb 26, 2014 5:37 PM
^^^^
only if your point was that Benghazi was insignificant compared to the George\Dick\Don\Condi fiascoes 9/11, Iraq or Afghanistan
or Reagan produced calamities at our embassy and marine barracks in Beirut
Feb 26, 2014 5:37pm