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Con_Alma
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Feb 28, 2014 5:30am
isadore;1585404 wrote:when you continue it for generations, it becomes an obligation
by doing it, they prevented the obvious alternative, a single payer plan
It only became an obligation when the Affordable Care Act made it mandatory by law. Businesses had the ability to stop it at any time prior to that.
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Feb 28, 2014 8:28am
you forgot to put gosh...isadore;1585405 wrote:maybe we can follow your philosophy, and just let them starve and decrease the population, Oh and save you a few bucks.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Feb 28, 2014 10:05am
I was so shocked by your hatred of the poor, I thought gosh would be inappropriate.rrfan;1585542 wrote:you forgot to put gosh...
rrfan
Posts: 1,922
Feb 28, 2014 11:14am
I don't hate anybody...I do dislike lazy very much. Not all poor are Lazy and some just need some help...however many are lazyisadore;1585585 wrote:I was so shocked by your hatred of the poor, I thought gosh would be inappropriate.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Feb 28, 2014 10:29pm
and so in your view, they and theirs should suffer. hunger can be such a great motivator especially in the very young.rrfan;1585621 wrote:I don't hate anybody...I do dislike lazy very much. Not all poor are Lazy and some just need some help...however many are lazy
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Feb 28, 2014 10:51pm
Why shouldn't the lazy suffer?isadore;1585877 wrote:and so in your view, they and theirs should suffer. hunger can be such a great motivator especially in the very young.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Feb 28, 2014 10:56pm
by definition a sadist enjoys the suffering of others, in this case some of the poor and their families.WebFire;1585885 wrote:Why shouldn't the lazy suffer?
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Mar 1, 2014 7:07am
No needs to suffer. Clean up the fraud within the system, correct the records, applicants re-apply for entitlement support, establish limits time requirements quotes, track down dead beat fathers, abusive multi pregnant women, parents that adanded their kids to grandparents, habitual drug users and criminals offender get them out of the entitlement programs, establish a program system that rewards for achievement and decreases entitlement for improper behavior and criminal actions. The object of entitlement support should be to create a useful and prosperous individual with better structure for the next generation. Not a system of dependency
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isadore
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Mar 1, 2014 7:57am
"decreases entitlement for improper behavior" now there is an open ended example of ambiguity.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 1, 2014 8:22am
And you have a propensity for cherry picking the truth to discredit.isadore;1585905 wrote:"decreases entitlement for improper behavior" now there is an open ended example of ambiguity.
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isadore
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Mar 1, 2014 8:43am
to find the arsenic hidden in the mush
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 1, 2014 10:08am
So in your society there is no reward for hard work, and no consequence for laziness. You can take that crap somewhere else.isadore;1585888 wrote:by definition a sadist enjoys the suffering of others, in this case some of the poor and their families.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Mar 1, 2014 2:09pm
He becometh poor that dealeth with a slack hand: but the hand of the diligent maketh rich. Proverbs 10:4isadore;1585888 wrote:by definition a sadist enjoys the suffering of others, in this case some of the poor and their families.
The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute. Proverbs 12:24
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Mar 1, 2014 7:22pm
gosh a ruddies having the basic food, clothing, shelter and healthcare is a far cry from the life style of the top 1%WebFire;1585933 wrote:So in your society there is no reward for hard work, and no consequence for laziness. You can take that crap somewhere else.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 1, 2014 9:21pm
isadore;1586036 wrote:gosh a ruddies having the basic food, clothing, shelter and healthcare is a far cry from the life style of the top 1%
Gosh a ruddies, no shit.
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Mar 1, 2014 10:11pm
golly that is right I think our country should feed, cloth, house and provide medical care for those in need and you don't.WebFire;1586047 wrote:Gosh a ruddies, no shit.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 1, 2014 10:40pm
That's not even close to what I said. Why don't you address my actual statement?isadore;1586065 wrote:golly that is right I think our country should feed, cloth, house and provide medical care for those in need and you don't.
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isadore
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Mar 1, 2014 10:50pm
gosh you want some poor people to go hungry, homeless without medical care.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 1, 2014 10:54pm
So you have no response other than to make up stuff?isadore;1586089 wrote:gosh you want some poor people to go hungry, homeless without medical care.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Mar 1, 2014 11:26pm
You're racist :RpS_w00t:WebFire;1586092 wrote:So you have no response other than to make up stuff?
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isadore
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Mar 1, 2014 11:32pm
obviously "you can't handle the truth."WebFire;1586092 wrote:So you have no response other than to make up stuff?
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Mar 2, 2014 7:28am
. What made them so dependent on being needy? Why is it that many poor and poverty individual become prosperous responsible citizens but a majority continue the path of poverty, dependency and strain the fibre of society.isadore;1586065 wrote:golly that is right I think our country should feed, cloth, house and provide medical care for those in need and you don't.
They remain needy ( with exceptions of the handcap, ill and mentally challenge) because they are trapped in a system that keeps then down, comfortable with receiving little for doing nothing, no incentive of achievement and most of all a generations of learned behavior not to proper but to blame.
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isadore
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Mar 2, 2014 9:31am
gosh now if we just starved them a little bit, that would motivate those families.Belly35;1586130 wrote:. What made them so dependent on being needy? Why is it that many poor and poverty individual become prosperous responsible citizens but a majority continue the path of poverty, dependency and strain the fibre of society.
They remain needy ( with exceptions of the handcap, ill and mentally challenge) because they are trapped in a system that keeps then down, comfortable with receiving little for doing nothing, no incentive of achievement and most of all a generations of learned behavior not to proper but to blame.
If you want to motivate Free Post Secondary Education
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Read more at http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865590331/Getting-unstuck-Why-some-people-get-out-of-poverty-and-others-dont.html?pg=all#77HIXlSMXz80QhPX.99
Read more at http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865590331/Getting-unstuck-Why-some-people-get-out-of-poverty-and-others-dont.html?pg=all#77HIXlSMXz80QhPX.99
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Mar 2, 2014 4:13pm
You should still have to qualify, even if it's free. Can't just sent everyone to college. Economies don't support it.isadore;1586158 wrote:gosh now if we just starved them a little bit, that would motivate those families.
If you want to motivate Free Post Secondary Education
[LEFT]"If someone at the bottom graduated from college, there was an 86 percent chance they would jump up at least one fifth on the income ladder. They also had a 53 percent chance of jumping up two levels to the middle fifth of income. This is almost a complete flipping of the chances people have without a college degree."
Read more at http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865590331/Getting-unstuck-Why-some-people-get-out-of-poverty-and-others-dont.html?pg=all#77HIXlSMXz80QhPX.99
Read more at http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865590331/Getting-unstuck-Why-some-people-get-out-of-poverty-and-others-dont.html?pg=all#77HIXlSMXz80QhPX.99
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isadore
Posts: 7,762
Mar 2, 2014 6:00pm
no some would go to free post secondary vocational schoolWebFire;1586269 wrote:You should still have to qualify, even if it's free. Can't just sent everyone to college. Economies don't support it.