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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 7:39 AM
Con_Alma;1581861 wrote:????

I don't need an excuse. If it's my opinion to not act to benefit our society I will simple say so...and have. Such an example is my lack of support for paying for free secondary education for all.

It wasn't an excuse.

The additional steps and programs you have mentioned are unproven in the US and nothing you have shared has reduced the accuracy of my comment.
Have we heard your argument before, yes against many improvement in our society For example
What did white Southerners argue about abolishing slavery or Jim Crow? They said “Our society is different than yours. You Yankees just don’t understand our economy, culture, approach and ideology. “
Feb 18, 2014 7:39am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 8:04 AM
isadore;1581867 wrote:Have we heard your argument before, yes against many improvement in our society For example
What did white Southerners argue about abolishing slavery or Jim Crow? They said “Our society is different than yours. You Yankees just don’t understand our economy, culture, approach and ideology. “
This has no relevance to the above point we were discussing.


Your proposals are unproven in the US and your response to such a claim doesn't mitigate it. It's really that simply. I haven't claimed they won't work yet you respond as if I have stated something false.

It's really that simple.
Feb 18, 2014 8:04am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 8:26 AM
you oppose the program and use "They are not unproven they have worked in other nations to give better quality of life. " to oppose it.
Feb 18, 2014 8:26am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 8:32 AM
isadore;1581883 wrote:you oppose the program and use "They are not unproven they have worked in other nations to give better quality of life. " to oppose it.
The only program I have expressed opposition to is free secondary education.

Nothing you have suggested negates my comment that your suggested proposals are unproven in the U.S..
Feb 18, 2014 8:32am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 8:36 AM
Which is an argument used to oppose important reforms in the history of the United States.
Feb 18, 2014 8:36am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 8:38 AM
isadore;1581886 wrote:Which is an argument used to oppose important reforms in the history of the United States.

..or one looking for more criteria to cement it's potential impact.

You assume much.
Feb 18, 2014 8:38am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 8:53 AM
It is various forms of this argument "They are not unproven they have worked in other nations to give better quality of life. " have been used against just about every important reform of America.
You have already stated you oppose one of the major portion of the suggested reform package. You are being disingenuous.
Feb 18, 2014 8:53am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 8:57 AM
isadore;1581893 wrote:It is various forms of this argument "They are not unproven they have worked in other nations to give better quality of life. " have been used against just about every important reform of America.
You have already stated you oppose one of the major portion of the suggested reform package. You are being disingenuous.
...disingenuous with regards to what specifically? I can't be more clear.

I oppose providing free secondary education to all.

The additional programs you have suggested are unproven in the U.S..

What about that is disingenuous??

Were you disingenuous when you stated that you would register at the secondary education institute that commits to paying for up 100% of a graduates student loans?
Feb 18, 2014 8:57am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 9:44 AM
Con_Alma;1581895 wrote:...disingenuous with regards to what specifically? I can't be more clear.

I oppose providing free secondary education to all.

The additional programs you have suggested are unproven in the U.S..

What about that is disingenuous??

Were you disingenuous when you stated that you would register at the secondary education institute that commits to paying for up 100% of a graduates student loans?
Con_Alma wrote: I oppose providing free secondary education to all.

Con-Alma wrote:Were you disingenuous when you stated that you would register at the secondary education institute that commits to paying for up 100% of a graduates student loans?
Wow
You oppose free public education.
Sir I did register for a secondary education institute from which I did graduate as hard as that might be to believe. And at the time, no graduate owed a cent of debt to pay for that education.
I have for all time answered your question completely.
Now if we would just apply that to post secondary education opportunity in America would be greatly increased.
Feb 18, 2014 9:44am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 9:49 AM
isadore;1581910 wrote:

Wow
You oppose free public education....
Yes, we have been through that over and over.

isadore;1581910 wrote:
Sir I did register for a secondary education institute from which I did graduate as hard as that might be to believe. And at the time, no graduate owed a cent of debt to pay for that education. ,,,
That's not an answer to the question I asked.

You previously stated that if there was a college which would pay up to 100% of a graduate's loans if they were unable to be employed that you would register for classes there.

Were you being disingenuous??

What specifically was it that you stated I was being disingenuous about? I have been honest. Have you?
Feb 18, 2014 9:49am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 10:01 AM
You oppose public free (tax payer financed)
Secondary education, or secondary school, is a period of education which follows directly after primary education (such as intermediate school or elementary school), and which may be followed by tertiary or "post-secondary" education
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Secondary_education
And you demanded I attend one, which I did.
Feb 18, 2014 10:01am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 10:05 AM
isadore;1581921 wrote:You oppose public free (tax payer financed)
Secondary education, or secondary school, is a period of education which follows directly after primary education (such as intermediate school or elementary school), and which may be followed by tertiary or "post-secondary" education
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Secondary_education
And you demanded I attend one, which I did.

I didn't demand you attend anything.

Were you disingenuous when stating you would register at an institution that offered to pay for student loans if the student wasn't employed at a defined income level?

What was it that you stated I was disingenuous about?
Feb 18, 2014 10:05am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 10:10 AM
This is what you wrote
Con_Alma wrote:Were you disingenuous when you stated that you would register at the secondary education institute that commits to paying for up 100% of a graduates student loans?
I did register at a secondary institute which paid 100% of all graduate student loans? No student had graduated with student debt from my high school.
Feb 18, 2014 10:10am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 10:13 AM
isadore;1581923 wrote:This is what you wrote
I did register at a secondary institute which paid 100% of all graduate student loans? No student had graduated with student debt from my high school.
Earlier in this thread you posted that you would register at the institution that paid up to 100% of student loans for graduates that were not employed at a defined level of income. Were you disingenuous in stating that? It's not high school that I am speaking of but rather your comment earlier in this thread.

What was it that you believe I was disingenuous about?
Feb 18, 2014 10:13am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 10:13 AM
isadore;1581923 wrote:This is what you wrote
I did register at a secondary institute which paid 100% of all graduate student loans? No student had graduated with student debt from my high school.
This doesn't matter for earlier in the thread you stated you would register at another institution. Were you disingenuous in your claims??
Feb 18, 2014 10:13am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 10:34 AM
Con_Alma wrote:There are institutions willing to pay for student loans if the graduate is not gainfully employed. That means you don't pay unless you are able. There's no reason anyone can't get a degree if they want one.
isadore;1573127 wrote:do you have a list? Of course there is, expense, expense, expense, lack of resources, lack of resources, lack of resources.
Con_Alma wrote:If they are unable to pay an institution will pay. You just don't get it.
isadore;1573128 wrote:list please
Con_Alma wrote: What will you do with the identification of such an institution?
isadore;1573143 wrote:register immediately
Were you being disingenuous???

What was it that you believed I was disingenuous about?
Feb 18, 2014 10:34am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 10:54 AM
Con_Alma;1581925 wrote:This doesn't matter for earlier in the thread you stated you would register at another institution. Were you disingenuous in your claims??
I answered your question, fulfill your request
Con_Alma wrote:Were you disingenuous when you stated that you would register at the secondary education institute that commits to paying for up 100% of a graduates student loans?

But you demand, more and more wow, now that is disingenuous


and you are against public high school too, wow.
isadore wrote:This is what you wrote
I did register at a secondary institute which paid 100% of all graduate student loans? No student had graduated with student debt from my high school.
Feb 18, 2014 10:54am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 10:57 AM
isadore;1581945 wrote:I answered your question, fulfill your request

But you demand, more and more wow, now that is disingenuous


and you are against public high school too, wow.
You have never answered my original question. Never.


You have called others on this thread"unethical" and yet you avoid and divert from your own claims.
Feb 18, 2014 10:57am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 10:57 AM
Con_Alma wrote:There are institutions willing to pay for student loans if the graduate is not gainfully employed. That means you don't pay unless you are able. There's no reason anyone can't get a degree if they want one.
isadore;1573127 wrote:do you have a list? Of course there is, expense, expense, expense, lack of resources, lack of resources, lack of resources.
Con_Alma wrote:If they are unable to pay an institution will pay. You just don't get it.
isadore;1573128 wrote:list please
Con_Alma wrote: What will you do with the identification of such an institution?
isadore;1573143 wrote:register immediately
Were you being disingenuous???

What was it that you believed I was disingenuous about?
Feb 18, 2014 10:57am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 11:07 AM
I take the time and effort to directly answer the question you asked at 8:57 AM today and now you disingenuously that is not enough.

And wow why do you oppose free secondary education for students. Now there is something that will really lessen even the limited opportunity available today.
Feb 18, 2014 11:07am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 11:10 AM
The question was asked days ago and you have yet to answer it because it shows how disingenuous you were being..
Feb 18, 2014 11:10am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 11:12 AM
Con_Alma wrote:There are institutions willing to pay for student loans if the graduate is not gainfully employed. That means you don't pay unless you are able. There's no reason anyone can't get a degree if they want one.
isadore;1573127 wrote:do you have a list? Of course there is, expense, expense, expense, lack of resources, lack of resources, lack of resources.
Con_Alma wrote:If they are unable to pay an institution will pay. You just don't get it.
isadore;1573128 wrote:list please
Con_Alma wrote: What will you do with the identification of such an institution?
isadore;1573143 wrote:register immediately
Were you being disingenuous???

What was it that you believed I was disingenuous about?
Feb 18, 2014 11:12am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 11:13 AM
Con_Alma;1581954 wrote:The question was asked days ago and you have yet to answer it because it shows how disingenuous you were being..
I just answered your recently asked question and all I get is attacked for it. No wonder no one wants to answer your questions. How about some gratitude for answering your question in detail.
Feb 18, 2014 11:13am
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Con_Alma

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Feb 18, 2014 11:16 AM
isadore;1581956 wrote:I just answered your recently asked question and all I get is attacked for it. No wonder no one wants to answer your questions. How about some gratitude for answering your question in detail.

I won't nor have I ever attacked you. There's no need to.
Con_Alma wrote:There are institutions willing to pay for student loans if the graduate is not gainfully employed. That means you don't pay unless you are able. There's no reason anyone can't get a degree if they want one.
isadore;1573127 wrote:do you have a list? Of course there is, expense, expense, expense, lack of resources, lack of resources, lack of resources.
Con_Alma wrote:If they are unable to pay an institution will pay. You just don't get it.
isadore;1573128 wrote:list please
Con_Alma wrote: What will you do with the identification of such an institution?
isadore;1573143 wrote:register immediately
Were you being disingenuous???

What was it that you believed I was disingenuous about?
Feb 18, 2014 11:16am
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isadore

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Feb 18, 2014 11:21 AM
your obvious ingratitude for me taking the time to answer your 8:57AM question, which anyone would consider the final form of your earlier question.
And which I answered in detail.


why do you hate public high school.
Feb 18, 2014 11:21am