Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Jan 21, 2014 11:40am
Murder got a fair trial and was convicted...
Belly option agenda ... Murder here is your option:
1. Injection ...
2. Same method that you killed the victim .. you will die and left to suffer and bleed out
3. Citizen firing squad where lottery ticket sold to benfit the victims family
Murder you make the call ... think about you have 24 hours hope this helps
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/20/shortage-lethal-drugs-ugly-ohio-execution-re-ignites-death-penalty-debate/
Belly option agenda ... Murder here is your option:
1. Injection ...
2. Same method that you killed the victim .. you will die and left to suffer and bleed out
3. Citizen firing squad where lottery ticket sold to benfit the victims family
Murder you make the call ... think about you have 24 hours hope this helps
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/20/shortage-lethal-drugs-ugly-ohio-execution-re-ignites-death-penalty-debate/
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 21, 2014 11:42am
1.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 11:51am
How about acknowledging that it's a waste of time and money?
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Jan 21, 2014 11:56am
My opinion is that the death penalty fails in its two purposes: deterrent and punishment. That murders still happen despite active executions is proof of the first failure. As for the second, the horror of murder is that it can never be properly punished. It's what makes it this worst type of crime/sin.
We acknowledge the brutality of killing people, so we don't allow violent and bloody execution methods. But this shows the flaw in it all - you can't be a little bit humane when taking a life.
I desire a society that does not lower itself to doing this I accept that murder is horrible because it can never be made up for. I also believe that a just culture does not allow emotions and victims' desires to make precedent. If I ever lost a loved one to murder, I'd want vengeance - and maybe I'd take it myself. But I don't believe society should do it on my behalf.
We acknowledge the brutality of killing people, so we don't allow violent and bloody execution methods. But this shows the flaw in it all - you can't be a little bit humane when taking a life.
I desire a society that does not lower itself to doing this I accept that murder is horrible because it can never be made up for. I also believe that a just culture does not allow emotions and victims' desires to make precedent. If I ever lost a loved one to murder, I'd want vengeance - and maybe I'd take it myself. But I don't believe society should do it on my behalf.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 21, 2014 12:02pm
Not quite sure how much of a deterrant it is to be honest with ya. If someone is wanting to kill another person I dont think the thought of death penalty stops them.Dr Winston O'Boogie;1570196 wrote:My opinion is that the death penalty fails in its two purposes: deterrent and punishment. That murders till happen despite active executions is proof of the first failure. As for the second, the horror of murder is that it can never be properly punished. That is the true crime - society or the victim can never be made whole. It's what makes it this worst type of crime/sin.
As a society, we chose to attempt these two goals over and over again. We acknowledge the brutality of killing people, so we don't allow violent and bloody execution methods. We try for a humane approach. But this shows the fallacy of the equation - you can't be a little bit humane when taking a life. It is the thing that it is no matter how you get there.
I desire a society that does not lower itself to doing the act a criminal has done. I accept that murder is horrible because it can never be made up for. I also believe that a just culture does not allow emotions and victims' desires to make precedent. If I ever lost a loved one to murder, I'd want vengeance - and maybe I'd take it myself. But I don't believe society should do it on my behalf.
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Jan 21, 2014 12:02pm
It wasn't horrifying. He was under anesthesia and didn't feel a thing. It was only 11 minutes longer than a normal lethal injection.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/20/bedford-the-truth-about-the-long-execution-of-mr-mcguire/
Put the family's lawsuit in the "Tough Shit" file.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/20/bedford-the-truth-about-the-long-execution-of-mr-mcguire/
Put the family's lawsuit in the "Tough Shit" file.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 12:03pm
ccrunner609;1570199 wrote:Don't rape and murder someone and you wont get executed.
This is one of the other problems with the death penalty. Your sentence is simply not true.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 21, 2014 12:06pm
Agreed.ccrunner609;1570201 wrote:the only problem with using the death penalty is the length of time it takes. It would work real well if you were taken out back and put down right after the trial.
I also wonder what percentage of those people who commit murder are even executed? Very, very, very few. So few in fact that it is in no way a deterrant.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 21, 2014 12:09pm
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1570196 wrote:My opinion is that the death penalty fails in its two purposes: deterrent and punishment. That murders still happen despite active executions is proof of the first failure. As for the second, the horror of murder is that it can never be properly punished. It's what makes it this worst type of crime/sin.
We acknowledge the brutality of killing people, so we don't allow violent and bloody execution methods. But this shows the flaw in it all - you can't be a little bit humane when taking a life.
I desire a society that does not lower itself to doing this I accept that murder is horrible because it can never be made up for. I also believe that a just culture does not allow emotions and victims' desires to make precedent. If I ever lost a loved one to murder, I'd want vengeance - and maybe I'd take it myself. But I don't believe society should do it on my behalf.
There is a 3rd and 4th purpose that are just as important though.
3. Rid the world of these people.
4. Spare the expense of jailing them for life.
Death penalty succeeds in these purposes.
Heretic
Posts: 18,820
Jan 21, 2014 12:10pm
Odds that Belly felt a tingle in his nether-regions while typing #3? Well, besides 100%.Belly35;1570186 wrote:Murder got a fair trial and was convicted...
Belly option agenda ... Murder here is your option:
1. Injection ...
2. Same method that you killed the victim .. you will die and left to suffer and bleed out
3. Citizen firing squad where lottery ticket sold to benfit the victims family
Murder you make the call ... think about you have 24 hours hope this helps
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/20/shortage-lethal-drugs-ugly-ohio-execution-re-ignites-death-penalty-debate/
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Jan 21, 2014 12:13pm
Some say that it is more expensive to execute them. I dont know how that is true, but have heard that often.WebFire;1570210 wrote:There is a 3rd and 4th purpose that are just as important though.
3. Rid the world of these people.
4. Spare the expense of jailing them for life.
Death penalty succeeds in these purposes.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 12:14pm
Based on the fact that it offers no practical value, the "minimal" innocents killed by it produce a net negative.ccrunner609;1570207 wrote:with todays current science behind verdicts........the number of actually innocent people on death row is minimal.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 12:15pm
You couldn't be more wrong on #4. The costs aren't remotely comparable.WebFire;1570210 wrote:There is a 3rd and 4th purpose that are just as important though.
3. Rid the world of these people.
4. Spare the expense of jailing them for life.
Death penalty succeeds in these purposes.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 21, 2014 12:23pm
Any more than zero is absolutely unacceptable.ccrunner609;1570207 wrote:with todays current science behind verdicts........the number of actually innocent people on death row is minimal.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 12:25pm
and the number of innocent people put to death would skyrocket.ccrunner609;1570201 wrote:the only problem with using the death penalty is the length of time it takes. It would work real well if you were taken out back and put down right after the trial.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 21, 2014 12:32pm
I just don't know how that could be the case. Can you provide some numbers?queencitybuckeye;1570218 wrote:You couldn't be more wrong on #4. The costs aren't remotely comparable.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 21, 2014 12:34pm
And if you're comparing court time, then I would say they need to fix that. That's a problem in itself.queencitybuckeye;1570218 wrote:You couldn't be more wrong on #4. The costs aren't remotely comparable.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 12:35pm
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/#.Ut6yDPso69IWebFire;1570228 wrote:I just don't know how that could be the case. Can you provide some numbers?
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 12:36pm
That's the foundation of our legal system. For some, only until it becomes inconvenient.justincredible;1570222 wrote:Any more than zero is absolutely unacceptable.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 21, 2014 12:38pm
Just a quick Google search nets arguments for both sides of this. So I would say you couldn't be more wrong about me not being more wrong.queencitybuckeye;1570232 wrote:http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/#.Ut6yDPso69I
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 12:44pm
Actually read the material, and get back to me. I can do a Google search and find out the 9/11 was an inside job, that man has never been to the moon, and that the world is flat.WebFire;1570234 wrote:Just a quick Google search nets arguments for both sides of this. So I would say you couldn't be more wrong about me not being more wrong.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 21, 2014 12:47pm
Ok. I still don't think it's right.queencitybuckeye;1570235 wrote:Actually read the material, and get back to me.
http://dbp.idebate.org/en/index.php/Argument:_Executions_are_no_more_costly_than_life_in_prison
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 21, 2014 12:48pm
And like I said, if that is true, the process needs fixed. Not the punishment.queencitybuckeye;1570235 wrote:Actually read the material, and get back to me.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 12:53pm
You're more determined to confirm your preconceptions than to actually care about the facts. You just said in effect "I don't think I'm wrong, but even if I am, I'm not changing my mind".
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Jan 21, 2014 12:54pm
Why?WebFire;1570239 wrote:And like I said, if that is true, the process needs fixed. Not the punishment.