NCAA to create new divisons for Power Conferences?

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Jan 17, 2014 9:49 PM
Makes sense. Always wondered when this would happen.
Jan 17, 2014 9:49pm
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Jan 18, 2014 4:20 PM
What are voting blocs?
Jan 18, 2014 4:20pm
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Jan 18, 2014 5:08 PM
GOONx19;1568802 wrote:What are voting blocs?
It means the "power" conferences will be able to make-up their own rules and the mid-major conferences will continue to get screwed only exponentially so.
Jan 18, 2014 5:08pm
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Jan 20, 2014 2:24 PM
This is a step in the right direction. The proper end is paying football and basketball players a market salary and not making them students. Schools would essentially sponsor their respective teams. If a player chose to use his salary towards tuition, he could apply to the school and face the same admissions standard as anyone else. In my opinion, this would eliminate many of the problems currently facing college athletics.
Jan 20, 2014 2:24pm
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Jan 20, 2014 3:09 PM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1569762 wrote:This is a step in the right direction. The proper end is paying football and basketball players a market salary and not making them students. Schools would essentially sponsor their respective teams. If a player chose to use his salary towards tuition, he could apply to the school and face the same admissions standard as anyone else. In my opinion, this would eliminate many of the problems currently facing college athletics.
Then why would the NCAA or any college even be involved? You just described a minor league.
Jan 20, 2014 3:09pm
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Jan 20, 2014 3:28 PM
I agree somewhat in premise, But I also believe that when you play outside the "Power Conferences" that your wins count less. In Other words if you beat Alcorn State, It is treated in less reguard to beating up Indiana. :) And if you lose to one of these teams, you pat them double and the loss counts against you as double.
Jan 20, 2014 3:28pm
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Jan 20, 2014 5:36 PM
Devils Advocate;1569818 wrote:I agree somewhat in premise, But I also believe that when you play outside the "Power Conferences" that your wins count less. In Other words if you beat Alcorn State, It is treated in less reguard to beating up Indiana. :) And if you lose to one of these teams, you pat them double and the loss counts against you as double.
Like a NCAA harbin?

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Jan 20, 2014 5:36pm
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Jan 20, 2014 8:43 PM
Yep
Jan 20, 2014 8:43pm
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Jan 20, 2014 9:57 PM
I agree.
Jan 20, 2014 9:57pm
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Jan 20, 2014 10:59 PM
WebFire;1569805 wrote:Then why would the NCAA or any college even be involved? You just described a minor league.
Haha
Jan 20, 2014 10:59pm
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Jan 21, 2014 10:02 AM
WebFire;1569805 wrote:Then why would the NCAA or any college even be involved? You just described a minor league.
To be fair, this is a minor league website. Amirite?
Jan 21, 2014 10:02am
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Jan 21, 2014 2:59 PM
WebFire;1569805 wrote:Then why would the NCAA or any college even be involved? You just described a minor league.
What I described is a minor league. The NCAA shouldn't be involved because it has proven it is not capable of managing competitive athletics. If schools want to continue to have non-revenue sports after the football and basketball teams leave the athletic department to become pro, then the NCAA should focus on those.
Jan 21, 2014 2:59pm
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Jan 21, 2014 3:02 PM
WebFire;1569805 wrote:Then why would the NCAA or any college even be involved? You just described a minor league.
In what way is today's system not one, other than everyone pretending that these kids are there for the education?
Jan 21, 2014 3:02pm
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Jan 21, 2014 3:11 PM
queencitybuckeye;1570321 wrote:In what way is today's system not one, other than everyone pretending that these kids are there for the education?
Oh, I see you've identified the problem.
Jan 21, 2014 3:11pm
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Jan 21, 2014 3:25 PM
WebFire;1570332 wrote:Oh, I see you've identified the problem.
I've just never understood the need to buy into the hypocrisy that the kid on the team is no different than the typical student and that it's important that he's not treated any differently. Why?

The major sports programs are a fund-raising organization for the university. Why pretend otherwise?
Jan 21, 2014 3:25pm
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Jan 21, 2014 3:30 PM
queencitybuckeye;1570346 wrote:I've just never understood the need to buy into the hypocrisy that the kid on the team is no different than the typical student and that it's important that he's not treated any differently. Why?

The major sports programs are a fund-raising organization for the university. Why pretend otherwise?
Yes, that is what it has become. Quite sad, really. Especially when you consider the % that actually go to the NFL. Most of the kids actually do go for the education.
Jan 21, 2014 3:30pm
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Jan 21, 2014 3:39 PM
WebFire;1570347 wrote:Yes, that is what it has become. Quite sad, really. Especially when you consider the % that actually go to the NFL. Most of the kids actually do go for the education.
I guess, but OTOH, who goes into it any more thinking it's anything different? No one's holding a gun to anyone's head.
Jan 21, 2014 3:39pm
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Jan 21, 2014 4:25 PM
Only 1.7% of college football players go on to play professional football. Perhaps we should change the thinking instead of accepting it.

OR..........

Create an actual farm league that has nothing to do with college. I do agree with you that we should stop pretending that CFB isn't a farm system, but I don't think CFB should officially be a farm system. Separate the two.
Jan 21, 2014 4:25pm
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Jan 21, 2014 4:49 PM
WebFire;1570375 wrote:Only 1.7% of college football players go on to play professional football. Perhaps we should change the thinking instead of accepting it.

OR..........

Create an actual farm league that has nothing to do with college. I do agree with you that we should stop pretending that CFB isn't a farm system, but I don't think CFB should officially be a farm system. Separate the two.
In a perfect world. In this one, a Heisman trophy gets more libraries built on campus than 10 Nobel Prizes.

It would be interesting how the 1.7% figure compares to the percent of dance majors that end up making a living doing dance performance. Or music, or theatre.
Jan 21, 2014 4:49pm
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Jan 21, 2014 5:15 PM
The number of players who make the NFL makes no difference. If a player is good enough to make the roster at a big conference (SEC, Big Ten, etc) program, he will have the choice to play and take what they're offering. He can put his salary towards tuition if he chooses. If he wants to go the traditional route, he can play as a student-athlete at a non-big conference school - of DII, DIII, etc.
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Jan 21, 2014 7:56 PM
queencitybuckeye;1570386 wrote:In a perfect world. In this one, a Heisman trophy gets more libraries built on campus than 10 Nobel Prizes.

It would be interesting how the 1.7% figure compares to the percent of dance majors that end up making a living doing dance performance. Or music, or theatre.
Why would it be interesting? Football players aren't majoring in football. And Dance majors are, for the most part, paying there own way and earning a degree. What they do after graduation is irrelevant to any conversation we are having.
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Jan 21, 2014 7:57 PM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1570418 wrote:The number of players who make the NFL makes no difference. If a player is good enough to make the roster at a big conference (SEC, Big Ten, etc) program, he will have the choice to play and take what they're offering. He can put his salary towards tuition if he chooses. If he wants to go the traditional route, he can play as a student-athlete at a non-big conference school - of DII, DIII, etc.
I still don't understand this idea. Why would anyone do this? If there is no relation to the college other than collecting a salary, then it isn't college football. It might as well be the UFL.
Jan 21, 2014 7:57pm
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Jan 21, 2014 11:22 PM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1570317 wrote:What I described is a minor league. The NCAA shouldn't be involved because it has proven it is not capable of managing competitive athletics. If schools want to continue to have non-revenue sports after the football and basketball teams leave the athletic department to become pro, then the NCAA should focus on those.
Except that most schools would not be able to support non-revenue sports if the football and basketball teams left the athletic department. Seriously...what do you think pays the bills for those sports?
Jan 21, 2014 11:22pm
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Jan 22, 2014 9:03 AM
WebFire;1570487 wrote:I still don't understand this idea. Why would anyone do this? If there is no relation to the college other than collecting a salary, then it isn't college football. It might as well be the UFL.
You are right. The current set up (and I'm referring to football and basketball only in the big conferences) has two sports whose structures don't relate to college much either. Continuing it this way only leads to more problems. If Ohio State, for example, sponsored a minor league team, there would be all the benefits of the current program without the ridiculousness of it. Requiring kids who have no interest to attend class would be unnecessary. If a player wanted to attend school, he could use is salary that way. But he'd face the same requirements for admission as anyone else.
Jan 22, 2014 9:03am