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May 20, 2014 2:51 PM
So Arsenal finally gets some hardware. Great game to watch, I didn't think they had it in them after going down so early.

Now on to WC. I can't wait!!

I'm randomly browsing for merchandising. Might get something USA. Some badass jerseys out, really liking Belgium away.
May 20, 2014 2:51pm
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May 20, 2014 7:22 PM
Automatik;1617936 wrote:So Arsenal finally gets some hardware. Great game to watch, I didn't think they had it in them after going down so early.

Now on to WC. I can't wait!!

I'm randomly browsing for merchandising. Might get something USA. Some badass jerseys out, really liking Belgium away.
I threw down some WC money in Vegas. Pulling for Spain 6/1 and Netherlands 18/1!!! Didnt even both putting money on USA at 10/1, cause if they win it, Ill be dead from partying anyway...lol
May 20, 2014 7:22pm
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May 20, 2014 9:36 PM
USA at 10:1 is an absolutely horrible bet lol

I wouldn't put money on 10:1 they get out of their group.
May 20, 2014 9:36pm
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May 20, 2014 10:53 PM
The US is 160/1 online.
May 20, 2014 10:53pm
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May 20, 2014 10:57 PM
Mulva;1618157 wrote:The US is 160/1 online.
They opened at 140/1 in Vegas. But, since only USA is being bet really in Vegas (a guess on my part) they have been bet down all the way to 10/1. Stupid Americans lol
May 20, 2014 10:57pm
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May 20, 2014 11:14 PM
Laley23;1618161 wrote:They opened at 140/1 in Vegas. But, since only USA is being bet really in Vegas (a guess on my part) they have been bet down all the way to 10/1. Stupid Americans lol
It's been 10/1 since I went there in January. Stupid odds. I have no idea why'd they even think the US would even come close.
May 20, 2014 11:14pm
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May 20, 2014 11:18 PM
Ytowngirlinfla;1618182 wrote:It's been 10/1 since I went there in January. Stupid odds. I have no idea why'd they even think the US would even come close.
Simply about managing risk. Vegas saw a TON of bets when they were high odds and they cant afford to have a ton of small bets hit like that. Granted, it will never happen and they would be smart to just let the bets stay high and take all the suckers money (like me, had it been 100/1 or higher), but can you imagine if it did hit and thousands upon thousands are cashing in on tickets with 100/1+ odds. Sportsbooks would be KILLED.
May 20, 2014 11:18pm
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May 21, 2014 1:10 AM
Laley23;1618185 wrote:Simply about managing risk. Vegas saw a TON of bets when they were high odds and they cant afford to have a ton of small bets hit like that. Granted, it will never happen and they would be smart to just let the bets stay high and take all the suckers money (like me, had it been 100/1 or higher), but can you imagine if it did hit and thousands upon thousands are cashing in on tickets with 100/1+ odds. Sportsbooks would be KILLED.
Yeah but come on. There is absolutely zero chance that it happens. Vegas knows that. I'm sure they've seen a ton of bets on the WC anyways. Maybe people are stupid enough to bet or even bet large on the US team to win. I don't know. We are lucky if they make it out of the group stage.
May 21, 2014 1:10am
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May 21, 2014 1:40 AM
Vegas have odds on if they make it out of group stage?
May 21, 2014 1:40am
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May 21, 2014 6:49 AM
Midstate01;1618225 wrote:Vegas have odds on if they make it out of group stage?
Yes, it was like 3/1
May 21, 2014 6:49am
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May 21, 2014 6:50 AM
Ytowngirlinfla;1618224 wrote:Yeah but come on. There is absolutely zero chance that it happens. Vegas knows that. I'm sure they've seen a ton of bets on the WC anyways. Maybe people are stupid enough to bet or even bet large on the US team to win. I don't know. We are lucky if they make it out of the group stage.
Thats fine, but if I am running a sportsbook, Im lowering the odds to match the betting patterns 100% of the time. They dont get rich by taking chances like that.
May 21, 2014 6:50am
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May 21, 2014 7:59 AM
Ytowngirlinfla;1618224 wrote:Yeah but come on. There is absolutely zero chance that it happens. Vegas knows that. I'm sure they've seen a ton of bets on the WC anyways. Maybe people are stupid enough to bet or even bet large on the US team to win. I don't know. We are lucky if they make it out of the group stage.
You don't know how Vegas/Sportsbooks operate

They don't want "extremes" They want every bet they make to be as close to half and half as it can get. Meaning, if they are looking at 1,000 bets, they want 500 to win, 500 to lose.
May 21, 2014 7:59am
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May 21, 2014 9:03 AM
SportsAndLady;1618257 wrote:You don't know how Vegas/Sportsbooks operate

They don't want "extremes" They want every bet they make to be as close to half and half as it can get. Meaning, if they are looking at 1,000 bets, they want 500 to win, 500 to lose.
I know exactly how they operate. I'm in Vegas every few months and I bet a lot. This is the first sports bet that I've seen like this where the odds aren't even true odds or even close.
May 21, 2014 9:03am
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May 21, 2014 9:10 AM
What is ideal situation for the US to make it out of the group?

W-L-D?

Germany - probably get stomped.
Portugal - possible draw? Maybe WIN?
Ghana - please just beat this fucking team
May 21, 2014 9:10am
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May 21, 2014 9:12 AM
Automatik;1618273 wrote:What is ideal situation for the US to make it out of the group?

W-L-D?

Germany - probably get stomped.
Portugal - possible draw? Maybe WIN?
Ghana - please just beat this fucking team
Granted it was on home soil against their b team but usa put an was whooping on Germans last summer. Maybe that will give them confidence.

I think winning their first game is a must pts wise and confidence wise. If they lose game 1, just stick a fork in them.
May 21, 2014 9:12am
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May 21, 2014 9:14 AM
Ytowngirlinfla;1618268 wrote:I know exactly how they operate. I'm in Vegas every few months and I bet a lot. This is the first sports bet that I've seen like this where the odds aren't even true odds or even close.
If you know exactly how they operate, then you would know how these things work, which you clearly don't.
May 21, 2014 9:14am
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May 21, 2014 9:18 AM
They looked solid against Germany, I remember that one.

The last few matches I watched they were rather garbage, but it was a mixed lineup.

Some ok warm up matches coming... Azerbaijan, Nigeria, and Turkey. I want to get excited for the US to do something, but I think we get dumped on. Gotta beat Ghana though.
May 21, 2014 9:18am
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May 21, 2014 9:29 AM
Automatik;1618273 wrote:What is ideal situation for the US to make it out of the group?

W-L-D?

Germany - probably get stomped.
Portugal - possible draw? Maybe WIN?
Ghana - please just beat this fucking team
Our defense will be torn apart against portugal. Our central defenders are awful.
May 21, 2014 9:29am
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May 21, 2014 9:49 AM
Ytowngirlinfla;1618268 wrote:I know exactly how they operate. I'm in Vegas every few months and I bet a lot. This is the first sports bet that I've seen like this where the odds aren't even true odds or even close.
Happens all the time on future bets. Not so much in individual game lines.
May 21, 2014 9:49am
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May 21, 2014 10:41 AM
Laley23;1618307 wrote:Happens all the time on future bets. Not so much in individual game lines.
I don't pay that much attention to future bets. They usually have really good soccer lines. Emerils sports bar has the best sports book I've found.
May 21, 2014 10:41am
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May 21, 2014 2:36 PM
I think Germany goes 3-0 or 2-0-1 at worst for 7-9 points winning the group. The US must get win and get 3pts against Ghana and score some goals and at worst draw Portugal as Portugal could very easily draw with the US beat Ghana and lose to Germany giving the US and Portugal both 4 points coming down to goal differential.
May 21, 2014 2:36pm
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May 21, 2014 2:51 PM
Im hoping Germany is in our corner and has the group locked up by the 3rd game. It is definitely to our advantage to play them last, but only if the group is already won for them. Maybe they go easy on us since Klinsman is a hero of theirs...:D
May 21, 2014 2:51pm
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May 21, 2014 2:55 PM
I think that's a pretty likely scenario. of Germany had the group locked up, they Def won't be playing everyone in that game for 90. Could very well benefit us.

JUST BEAT GHANA!!! I'm tired of losing to those guys.
May 21, 2014 2:55pm
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May 21, 2014 3:06 PM
Midstate01;1618531 wrote:I think that's a pretty likely scenario. of Germany had the group locked up, they Def won't be playing everyone in that game for 90. Could very well benefit us.

JUST BEAT GHANA!!! I'm tired of losing to those guys.
Exactly. if we can somehow beat Ghana, and Germany beats Portugal, I think we are in good shape.
May 21, 2014 3:06pm
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May 21, 2014 3:08 PM
Ghana is all that concerns me. Like someone already said, we lose that....we're fucked. It really irks me how that team has our number.
May 21, 2014 3:08pm