http://msn.foxsports.com/buzzer/story/high-school-hoops-player-hits-shot-that-you-need-to-see-to-believe-121113?gt1=39002

Wow! a once in a lifetime shot.

Crazy

1) Seen very similar before...

2) I was waiting for the 3-pt signal and didn't see it.

ccrunner609;1552657 wrote:weak sauce

Did you see that one trick running play at the cross country meet?

http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?40407-College-Basketball-Random-Chatter-2013-2014-Season&p=1552288&viewfull=1#post1552288

Best part is the guy running/finishing thru the doors to the gym.

gut;1552793 wrote:1) Seen very similar before...

2) I was waiting for the 3-pt signal and didn't see it.

Wasn't a 3pt shot.

Laley23;1552919 wrote:Wasn't a 3pt shot.

how wasnt it?

Laley23;1552919 wrote:Wasn't a 3pt shot.

Basically it wasn't a shot attempt. We had this discussion earlier about another play too.

wildcats20;1552944 wrote:Basically it wasn't a shot attempt. We had this discussion earlier about another play too.

Got ya', thanks.

wildcats20;1552944 wrote:Basically it wasn't a shot attempt. We had this discussion earlier about another play too.

So he doesn't get 3 pts? Can you reference the rule book?

ernest_t_bass;1552972 wrote:So he doesn't get 3 pts? Can you reference the rule book?

I believe he gets the three points, but it doesn't go down in the stats as an attempt.

ernest_t_bass;1552972 wrote:So he doesn't get 3 pts? Can you reference the rule book?

No, but laley can. And did on the other discussion.

You are only awarded a 3 points on a shot attempt from behind the arc. That was clearly not a shot attempt, but an attempt to save the ball. The proper ruling would have been 2 pts for Kentucky (obviously, I am switching ends of the court here) because the only point amount that can be awarded for a non-shot attempt is 2.

Similarly, if you take a full court shot, buzzer sounds, then it bounces and goes in, it does not count. The shot attempt is over as soon as it hits the floor and at that point the period is over. If you shoot it from full court, it bounces, then buzzer sounds, then goes in...you get 2 pts for the ball going in, but not 3 because the shot attempt stopped as soon as it hit the ground.

Its a pretty easy rule to know, but a tough rule to enforce. That is why on alley-oop attempts that go in, we often see 3 pts awarded because who is to know the actual intent of the shooter/passer?? I think you COULD make that argument with James Young as well on this play...that he was saving it, but also shooting it because he didnt have a teammate to save it to. So they could award 3 pts, but no one would have a real argument if they enforced the actual rule.

On the full length bouncing of a ball, it should always be enforced correctly because there is no grey line to a play like that on what attempt is...because no one shot the ball after the bounce.


SOURCE: I was an official for 4 years and know the rulebook pretty well (though some stuff is admittedly leaving my brain over time).

I actually enforced the accidental 3 that was a pass once. Coach was FURIOUS...but I stuck to it, showed him the rulebook after the game, and he offered to buy me a beer for the profanity spewed in my direction. Said he was glad he had an official that knew the rulebook that well.

That was laleys post.

Thank you.

ernest_t_bass;1552985 wrote:Thank you.

Yup.


It kinda shocked me, as I didn't know that rule.

Stupid rule.

From NFHS casebook on my phone (verbatim):

5.2.1 Situation B:
With 2:45 left in the 2nd qtr., B1 has the ball on the left wing in Team B's front court. standing behind the 3-pt. arc. B5 makes a backdoor cut toward the basket. B1 passes the ball toward the ring and B5 leaps for the potential "alley-oop" dunk. The ball, however, enters and passes through the goal directly from B1's pass and is not touched by B5.

Ruling: Score 3 points for Team B. A ball that is thrown into a team's own goal from behind the 3-point arc scores three points, regardless of whether the thrown ball was an actual try for a goal.

Boom... lawyer'd.

wildcats20;1552987 wrote:Yup.


It kinda shocked me, as I didn't know that rule.

I wasn't being serious. See my last post.

Clearly 3 points. Intentional or not...what difference does it make? It's like in baseball saying that you shouldn't get credit for a homerun if you accidentally hit one while trying to pop out to advance a runner. Or in football, if the ball is tipped and ends up in the hands of a receiver it wasn't intended for it shouldn't count.

wildcats20;1552981 wrote:You are only awarded a 3 points on a shot attempt from behind the arc. That was clearly not a shot attempt, but an attempt to save the ball. The proper ruling would have been 2 pts for Kentucky (obviously, I am switching ends of the court here) because the only point amount that can be awarded for a non-shot attempt is 2.

Similarly, if you take a full court shot, buzzer sounds, then it bounces and goes in, it does not count. The shot attempt is over as soon as it hits the floor and at that point the period is over. If you shoot it from full court, it bounces, then buzzer sounds, then goes in...you get 2 pts for the ball going in, but not 3 because the shot attempt stopped as soon as it hit the ground.

Its a pretty easy rule to know, but a tough rule to enforce. That is why on alley-oop attempts that go in, we often see 3 pts awarded because who is to know the actual intent of the shooter/passer?? I think you COULD make that argument with James Young as well on this play...that he was saving it, but also shooting it because he didnt have a teammate to save it to. So they could award 3 pts, but no one would have a real argument if they enforced the actual rule.

On the full length bouncing of a ball, it should always be enforced correctly because there is no grey line to a play like that on what attempt is...because no one shot the ball after the bounce.


SOURCE: I was an official for 4 years and know the rulebook pretty well (though some stuff is admittedly leaving my brain over time).

I actually enforced the accidental 3 that was a pass once. Coach was FURIOUS...but I stuck to it, showed him the rulebook after the game, and he offered to buy me a beer for the profanity spewed in my direction. Said he was glad he had an official that knew the rulebook that well.

ernest_t_bass;1552989 wrote:From NFHS casebook on my phone (verbatim):

5.2.1 Situation B:
With 2:45 left in the 2nd qtr., B1 has the ball on the left wing in Team B's front court. standing behind the 3-pt. arc. B5 makes a backdoor cut toward the basket. B1 passes the ball toward the ring and B5 leaps for the potential "alley-oop" dunk. The ball, however, enters and passes through the goal directly from B1's pass and is not touched by B5.

Ruling: Score 3 points for Team B. A ball that is thrown into a team's own goal from behind the 3-point arc scores three points, regardless of whether the thrown ball was an actual try for a goal.

Boom... lawyer'd.

So, is it a 3 or not???

ernest_t_bass;1552989 wrote:From NFHS casebook on my phone (verbatim):

5.2.1 Situation B:
With 2:45 left in the 2nd qtr., B1 has the ball on the left wing in Team B's front court. standing behind the 3-pt. arc. B5 makes a backdoor cut toward the basket. B1 passes the ball toward the ring and B5 leaps for the potential "alley-oop" dunk. The ball, however, enters and passes through the goal directly from B1's pass and is not touched by B5.

Ruling: Score 3 points for Team B. A ball that is thrown into a team's own goal from behind the 3-point arc scores three points, regardless of whether the thrown ball was an actual try for a goal.

Boom... lawyer'd.

I found the rulebook I had when I ref'd and it states only 2 should be rewarded. Maybe they changed it. Or maybe Scott Forr is a lying POS!!! Lol