Thought it was a really good documentary (as they all are). One thing I noticed is that they said OSU was 12-0 before the Michigan game..that shouldn't be right.

Pick6;1553499 wrote:Thought it was a really good documentary (as they all are). One thing I noticed is that they said OSU was 12-0 before the Michigan game..that shouldn't be right.

That was actually correct. Think they played a special early season game with Texas Tech I believe so they played 13 regular season games that year.

Terry_Tate;1553501 wrote:That was actually correct. Think they played a special early season game with Texas Tech I believe so they played 13 regular season games that year.

Correct. Pigskin Classic

Yep they were the first 14-0 team. Should be the only 14-0 team ever

Thanks.

LJ;1553492 wrote:Pay close attention to with just a few minutes left it is Tressel speaking to a crowd. They really used his comments to slam Geiger.

Yeah, Geiger definitely looks like a pompous asshole after this. I've always loved Tressel and love him even more after this. He's the man.

Not that Tressel is bigger than OSU, but had he just come clean and not played dumb most of the time, he would've come out of this just fine as would have OSU.

SportsAndLady;1553504 wrote:Yep they were the first 14-0 team. Should be the only 14-0 team ever

With all of the conference championship games now, there is definitely greater opportunity to go 14-0 (though the parity will definitely make it tougher)

Hell, if a team plays at Hawaii and had a conference championship, you could have a 15-0 team now.

Thought it was a pretty good show. Like to see that Clarett has taken personal accountability and seems to be making efforts in improving his life. I wish him nothing but the best. I'll never forget how great he was. Could have possibly become the greatest RB in OSU history. Vision like no back I've ever seen play in college.

Haven't had a chance to catch the documentary yet, but I follow Clarett on Twitter, and it seems like he has really turned around his life.

Fun fact: My brother is the nurse that done Clarett's reception into CRC. He said he was a really nice guy, and physically unlike anyone he had ever had come through the receiving center.

ts1227;1553520 wrote:With all of the conference championship games now, there is definitely greater opportunity to go 14-0 (though the parity will definitely make it tougher)

Hell, if a team plays at Hawaii and had a conference championship, you could have a 15-0 team now.

I meant, without looking it up, I'm sure they're still the only 14-0 team. I realize that a team in the future could do it.

SportsAndLady;1553576 wrote:I meant, without looking it up, I'm sure they're still the only 14-0 team. I realize that a team in the future could do it.

Got me curious so I had to look it up. Boise, Alabama and Auburn have had 14-0 seasons since.

LJ;1553579 wrote:Got me curious so I had to look it up. Boise, Alabama and Auburn have had 14-0 seasons since.

Damn I was wrong

I'm glad to see MC is making strides to overcome some poor decisions and substance abuse. He has the opportunity to be a valuable part of society, I hope he knows though that the public is waiting for him to screw up so they can say "I told ya so". And that's just the cold truth of life and nothing wrong with that.

Tearnan commenting on substance abuse, poor decisions, and being valuable members of society. That's ironically hilarious.

One of the things that really stuck out to me is that the way Coach Tressel is depicted in the first 15-20 minutes of this documentary explains what eventually led to his resignation at OSU: he loves and protects his players unconditionally. No matter what anyone says, I still (and will always) believe he fell on the sword for the greater good of The Ohio State University. Period.

dwccrew;1553522 wrote:Thought it was a pretty good show. Like to see that Clarett has taken personal accountability and seems to be making efforts in improving his life. I wish him nothing but the best. I'll never forget how great he was. Could have possibly become the greatest RB in OSU history. Vision like no back I've ever seen play in college.

Doubt it, his body was falling apart. I don't think he would have stayed healthy honestly. But I liked how basically Tressel was so impacted by what happened to MoC that he basically covered up for those kids so they had a shot at a career still

vball10set;1553777 wrote:One of the things that really stuck out to me is that the way Coach Tressel is depicted in the first 15-20 minutes of this documentary explains what eventually led to his resignation at OSU: he loves and protects his players unconditionally. No matter what anyone says, I still (and will always) believe he fell on the sword for the greater good of The Ohio State University. Period.

I honestly don't buy that Tressel fell on the sword at all. I don't see how people can say that after all that happened to OSU. Bottom line was, the players were doing what they were doing. He found out about it. And failed to report it knowing the players would be in trouble. Thus, everything else going down that did. I do not beleive there was more to it than that. There were too many people involved inside, and outside for something more to have happened than we know about. I love Tressel, he did great things for our football program, I think the guy is a quality person. His downfall is that he is/was too loyal to his players. To the extent they knew they could get away with crap around him. Especially his star/pet players.

centralbucksfan;1554000 wrote:I honestly don't buy that Tressel fell on the sword at all. I don't see how people can say that after all that happened to OSU. Bottom line was, the players were doing what they were doing. He found out about it. And failed to report it knowing the players would be in trouble. Thus, everything else going down that did. I do not beleive there was more to it than that. There were too many people involved inside, and outside for something more to have happened than we know about. I love Tressel, he did great things for our football program, I think the guy is a quality person. His downfall is that he is/was too loyal to his players. To the extent they knew they could get away with crap around him. Especially his star/pet players.

This is the part I don't believe. I think he did tell the people he was supposed to, and where it went, or didn't go, from there was the problem.

centralbucksfan;1554000 wrote:I honestly don't buy that Tressel fell on the sword at all. I don't see how people can say that after all that happened to OSU. Bottom line was, the players were doing what they were doing. He found out about it. And failed to report it knowing the players would be in trouble. Thus, everything else going down that did. I do not beleive there was more to it than that. There were too many people involved inside, and outside for something more to have happened than we know about. I love Tressel, he did great things for our football program, I think the guy is a quality person. His downfall is that he is/was too loyal to his players. To the extent they knew they could get away with crap around him. Especially his star/pet players.

Agreed. I think he decided that he wasn't going to let these guys go down the path that MoC did, so he made sure that the administration had absolutely no clue. The majority of his comments in the 30 for 30 support this.

Tressel was protecting what looked to be an undefeated season and shot at the NCG again...nothing more, nothing less. He chose poorly.

Tiernan;1554019 wrote:Tressel was protecting what looked to be an undefeated season and shot at the NCG again...nothing more, nothing less. He chose poorly.

I disagree based on the guy's entire career. Making an error in judgement to protect his players from potentially falling into the same type of situation as Clarett is much more consistent with the man's behavior than covering up a problem solely to win a football game. There are too many examples of Tressel doing things in the best interest of his players for me to believe the latter. He errored and suffered as a result. Ohio State made a huge mistake in cutting him off and going with the hired gun.

I watched the 30 for 30 last night and really enjoyed it. I got a much better appreciation for Clarett and why he made some of the choices he did. I was also glad to see him show wisdom from his experiences. He's a decent hearted guy and I wish him well. He was immature in some ways at Ohio State, but the way Geiger (and Gordon Gee) handled him was nothing short of pathetic. Major college football is a machine and if you get in its way, you're getting chewed up regardless of who you are. Geiger really personified this.

Dr Winston O'Boogie;1554040 wrote:I disagree based on the guy's entire career. Making an error in judgement to protect his players from potentially falling into the same type of situation as Clarett is much more consistent with the man's behavior than covering up a problem solely to win a football game. There are too many examples of Tressel doing things in the best interest of his players for me to believe the latter. He errored and suffered as a result. Ohio State made a huge mistake in cutting him off and going with the hired gun.

I watched the 30 for 30 last night and really enjoyed it. I got a much better appreciation for Clarett and why he made some of the choices he did. I was also glad to see him show wisdom from his experiences. He's a decent hearted guy and I wish him well. He was immature in some ways at Ohio State, but the way Geiger (and Gordon Gee) handled him was nothing short of pathetic. Major college football is a machine and if you get in its way, you're getting chewed up regardless of who you are. Geiger really personified this.

Gee was at Vanderbilt during that time.

Al Bundy;1554060 wrote:Gee was at Vanderbilt during that time.

You're right. My mistake.

LJ;1554016 wrote:Agreed. I think he decided that he wasn't going to let these guys go down the path that MoC did, so he made sure that the administration had absolutely no clue. The majority of his comments in the 30 for 30 support this.

His comments reinforced his love and loyalty to his players, but it'd be naïve to think that no one in the administration was aware of the memorabilia for tattoo situation. Coach Tressel was accountable for what went on and paid dearly for the "cover up", but to assume he was the only one involved is ludicrous.

That being said, I thought this documentary showed MoC and Coach Tressel in a positive light, and The Osu, not so much--especially Andy Geiger.