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vball10set
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Dec 5, 2013 4:46pm
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Tiernan
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Dec 5, 2013 4:54pm
Cue the Morgan Freeman movie.
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Dec 5, 2013 5:14pm
oh, he wasn't dead before?
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MontyBrunswick
Dec 5, 2013 5:24pm
My thought tooMohican00;1548436 wrote:oh, he wasn't dead before?
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raiderbuck
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Dec 5, 2013 5:53pm
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Dec 5, 2013 6:17pm
RIP to a Great Human Being
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 5, 2013 6:25pm
Aside from the terrorism.pmoney25;1548461 wrote:RIP to a Great Human Being
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Dec 5, 2013 6:36pm
Yeah lol people forget he lead the bombing of over 50 targetsMulva;1548464 wrote:Aside from the terrorism.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 5, 2013 6:42pm
Nelson Mandela is a great reminder of how powerful and meaningful sports can be. Im sure his last words on his death bed was "go fuck yourself band wagoners."
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 5, 2013 6:46pm
Wow great point on bandwagoning and why sports are a uniting force. Nelson fucking Mendella. I'll be sure to use his name to pwn bandwagoners and whiny girls alike who QQ about why I think bandwagoning is a joke and I like sports. Uniting Force.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 5, 2013 6:50pm
Imagine if Mandela rooted for New Zealand during the world cup. LOL.Commander of Awesome;1548476 wrote:Wow great point on bandwagoning and why sports are a uniting force. Nelson fucking Mendella. I'll be sure to use his name to pwn bandwagoners and whiny girls alike who QQ about why I think bandwagoning is a joke and I like sports. Uniting Force.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 5, 2013 6:53pm
This should probably go to the politics board, but I think most can agree Mandela was a champion for human rights. South Africa is a work in progress, and perhaps at times (and now) it has issues, particularly with crime...but that is an issue for future leaders.
GoChiefs
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Dec 5, 2013 6:57pm
robj55
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Dec 5, 2013 7:08pm
RIP
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Dec 5, 2013 7:08pm
God I hate our society.GoChiefs;1548482 wrote:
pmoney25
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Dec 5, 2013 7:17pm
I am aware of the "terrorist" claims.Mulva;1548464 wrote:Aside from the terrorism.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Dec 5, 2013 7:26pm
Mandela was not Gandhi and didn't always disapprove of violent tactics. In addition his wife Winnie (I believe they are still married, but separated) has a long criminal history. That isn't necessarily terrorism, but South Africa has a checkered background even post-apartheid, and the Mandela's profited heavily in a country that is very, very poor in most areas.pmoney25;1548497 wrote:I am aware of the "terrorist" claims.
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vball10set
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Dec 5, 2013 7:32pm
That's hotGoChiefs;1548482 wrote:
pmoney25
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Dec 5, 2013 7:36pm
I agree. I don't think of him as a Saint and don't agree with him politically but I do think he stood for freedom and human rights when it would have been easier to not do so.Manhattan Buckeye;1548500 wrote:Mandela was not Gandhi and didn't always disapprove of violent tactics. In addition his wife Winnie (I believe they are still married, but separated) has a long criminal history. That isn't necessarily terrorism, but South Africa has a checkered background even post-apartheid, and the Mandela's profited heavily in a country that is very, very poor in most areas.
If you look back at many great historical figures in our own country, you will find deep flaws. Hell our country was founded by men who owned other human beings as slaves.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Dec 5, 2013 8:07pm
What flaws does MLK have though? He might be the ultimate great guy really, just unreal the change he was able to makepmoney25;1548510 wrote:I agree. I don't think of him as a Saint and don't agree with him politically but I do think he stood for freedom and human rights when it would have been easier to not do so.
If you look back at many great historical figures in our own country, you will find deep flaws. Hell our country was founded by men who owned other human beings as slaves.
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Tiernan
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Dec 5, 2013 8:22pm
Hakunah Matata
TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Dec 5, 2013 8:34pm
Let's just pretend he never killed anybody.
Dr Winston O'Boogie
Posts: 1,799
Dec 6, 2013 7:10pm
He wasn't a non-violent saint and he never claimed to be. He led the armed group within the resistence because they had been outlawed from any peaceful resistence. If a small minority holds the majority to apathied level law, the majority is reasonable to consider itself desperate and at war. Additionally, he moderated his view on using violence when the situation evolved and he was older (and probably wiser). The acts of his original group, which mainly ttok place while he was imprisoned perhaps hastened the fall of the apatheid regime.
People are contradictions. But to use the sports radio analogy, I'll judge Mandela by his "body of work".
People are contradictions. But to use the sports radio analogy, I'll judge Mandela by his "body of work".
Mooney44Cards
Posts: 2,754
Dec 10, 2013 11:25am
Psst......our Founding Fathers were terrorists too. Shhhhh don't tell anybody.
Oh and don't forget millions of Americans from the "Confederacy" who were also terrorists but have freaking statues built for them and places named after them in the country they betrayed and attacked.
Oh and don't forget millions of Americans from the "Confederacy" who were also terrorists but have freaking statues built for them and places named after them in the country they betrayed and attacked.
Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Dec 10, 2013 11:33am
Obama stop to pay back citizenship taxes to Kenya ... also