Ironman92;1563266 wrote:It's football because the Browns are #1 by a good bit in Cleveland.....or am I wrong on this?

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Nope. Don't think you're wrong at all. That was my point exactly.

Con_Alma;1563286 wrote:Nope. Don't think you're wrong at all. That was my point exactly.

Are you sure you don't think he was wrong? Did you know that before you posted? Is football #1 for everyone in cleveland? I know plenty of people of that prefer Indians over the Browns, bergers, would you say they're not wrong for that opinion?

2) The Drive. I did not think the FG was good.

This.

Con_Alma;1563243 wrote:Who knows what would have happened in the series but the Rockies were not a very good baseball team to get as far as they did.

Wut? I don't think there has been a hotter team in baseball history going into a WS. Didn't they win like 24 of 25 or something crazy?

Rotinaj;1563353 wrote:Wut? I don't think there has been a hotter team in baseball history going into a WS. Didn't they win like 24 of 25 or something crazy?

They were hot in a pretty weak year for the NL. The Red Sox were a whole different animal...that is why they got swept.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=27171

Agree with the player rankings?

Commander of Awesome;1563376 wrote:http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=27171

Agree with the player rankings?

Wish i could say, but for some reason...work has that website blocked now. SMH

The Morning Kickoff …
2013 in review: This is the first in a periodic series reviewing the Browns’ season of 4-12. Today we start with our annual rankings of players from top to bottom.
For the first time, we’ve broken up the rankings into two lists. We did it this way because there were so many transactions during the course of the year that several players did not appear in a minimum of eight games. In essence, the Browns created a built-in practice squad of about 12 players at the bottom of the roster. This was probably done for the future and had the result of contributing to 2013’s demise.
The rankings are based solely on our unscientific evaluation of production and impact vs. playing time. As usual, there is a severe drop-off after the first dozen or so players. Only one new addition to the team cracked our top 10.
1. WR Josh Gordon: Stunning rise as one of NFL’s most dangerous playmakers; best season ever for a Browns WR.
2. CB Joe Haden: Despite drop-off in last month, he elevated to elite. Peaked in first quarter in Cincy with two INTs, one his first career Pick 6.
3. LT Joe Thomas: Incredibly reliable and steady; seventh straight Pro Bowl year without missing a snap, but led team with 11 penalties.
4. TE Jordan Cameron: Hard work to stay healthy paid off in fabulous Pro Bowl season.
5. SS T.J. Ward: Put it all together in his free agent getaway season.
6. C Alex Mack: A good player, but why can’t they run behind him on third-and-1?
7. DE Ahtyba Rubin: Second among linemen in snaps, first in tackles and hustle.
8. LB D’Qwell Jackson: The only player on defense to play every snap of the season.
8. FS Tashaun Gipson: Much improved, he led with five interceptions, was third in tackles and knocked out E.J. Manuel and Jermichael Finley with clean hits.
10. DE Desmond Bryant: Dropped off after heart problem in Game 5, but still led linemen in QB harassments. In baseball, they call it warning-track power.
11. NT Phil Taylor: New system turned him into a two-down player.
12. LB Jabaal Sheard: Looked more productive as a defensive end.
13. LB Paul Kruger: Earnest and dedicated but, geez, 4 ½ sacks?
14. CB Buster Skrine: Cut down on penalties (six) and really improved to ranks of legitimate starter.
15. LG John Greco: Solid player; least-penalized (two) of starting offensive linemen.
16. P Spencer Lanning: A pleasant surprise who managed the bad weather fairly well.
17. TE Gary Barnidge: A decent combination blocker-receiver who was under-utilized in the passing game.
18. PK Billy Cundiff: Never tested with a game on the line except in New England, where his 58-yarder was on the mark but three yards short.
19. QB Jason Campbell: Had three good games in eight starts, winning one. As losses mounted, he became a basket case.
20. DE John Hughes: Third among D-linemen in tackles despite only 37 percent of the snaps.
21. LB Barkevious Mingo: Five sacks overall, two in his last 12 games. Concerns about his weight and strength were justified.
22. FB Chris Ogbonnaya: Miscast as a fullback, he did finish third in receptions (48) and first in yards-per-carry (4.9).
23. LB Craig Robertson: His production fell short of the responsibility he was given. Simply couldn’t cover.
24. NT Ishmaa’ily Kitchen: This pure, space-eating nose tackle gets after it.
25. WR-PR Travis Benjamin: Authored five big plays – and one lasting nickname (Rabbitt) -- in seven games before knee injury

26. RT Mitchell Schwartz: Grinded through second season without missing a snap despite nagging injury and challenges against speed rushers.
27. DE Billy Winn: Injury limited him to one-fourth the defensive snaps; also played three snaps in the offensive backfield.
28. RG Shawn Lauvao: His one holding penalty was a crucial play in the Chicago loss and probably sealed his exit in free agency.
29. RB Willis McGahee: His 377 yards is the lowest figure to lead the team in rushing since the 1953 season.
30. SS Jordan Poyer: Showed some flair at punt returner and at safety to probably compete for T.J. Ward’s expected vacated starting spot next year.
31. DE Armonty Bryant: Had a couple sacks to inspire 15 minutes as a diamond-in-the-rough gem for a seventh-round pick.
32. FS Johnson Bademosi: Fell off the map as a defensive contributor, but ran away with special teams tackles title with 17.
33. WR Greg Little: Logged 49 more snaps overall than Josh Gordon – and produced 46 fewer receptions.
(tie) WR Davone Bess: Had 42 catches and 14 drops (second in NFL) on 83 targets.
35. TE MarQueis Gray: Two nifty Wildcat runs raised some hope of a future enlarged role.
36. QB Brandon Weeden: Probably ended Browns career with 5-15 record as a starter, 0-5 this year.
37: LS Christian Yount: One bad snap in 144 opportunities.
38. RB Fozzy Whittaker: Had his moments, muffing the onside kick in New England among them.
40. CB Leon McFadden: Four penalties in very limited time on defense.
41. LB Tank Carder: Second in special teams tackles.
42. LB Darius Eubanks: Made some tackles.
43. TE Keavon Milton: Active for eight games, played nine snaps on offense.
Players with fewer than eight game appearances
1. QB Brian Hoyer: Had biggest impact in three games of any player in memory.
2. LB Quentin Groves: Played with a lot of energy until high ankle injury.
3. RB Edwin Baker: Had two longest TD runs of year – from 5 and 2 yards.
4. OG Jason Pinkston: Comeback from 2012 blood clot finally achieved with two starts.
5. WR Josh Cooper: Should have replaced Bess at midseason.
Others: SS Josh Aubrey, OT Reid Fragel, OG Garrett Gilkey, WR Tori Gurley, DB Julian Posey, DE Brian Sandford, TE Andre Smith, QB Alex Tanney, WR Brian Tyms, OT Martin Wallace.

-Tony Grossi

wes_mantooth;1563375 wrote:They were hot in a pretty weak year for the NL. The Red Sox were a whole different animal...that is why they got swept.

Sure the Red Sox were a better team but to say the Rockies were not a very good team at that time is just wrong.

Seems ok, although..I would put DJack ahead of Ward and Mack.

Also, I just realized im arguing w something Con_Alma said regarding baseball in the Browns offseason thread so ill definitely be stopping that now.

Commander of Awesome;1563376 wrote:http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=27171

Agree with the player rankings?

Saw a little less than 1/2 of the games but I think Skrine is a little low.

1. Joe GOAThomas
2. Haden
3. Gordon
4. Sheard
5. Phil Fucking Taylor
6. Ward
7. Mack
8. Cameron
9. Rubin
10. DQ
............
3,585,695. My cat
99,999,999. Weeden

Commander of Awesome;1563279 wrote:No Cavs in 07/09?

I stopped watching NBA is the early 90's.

Commander of Awesome;1563495 wrote:1. Joe GOAThomas
2. Haden
3. Gordon
4. Sheard
5. Phil Fucking Taylor
6. Ward
7. Mack
8. Cameron
9. Rubin
10. DQ
............
3,585,695. My cat
99,999,999. Weeden

Any list where Gordon isn't #1 isn't credible IMO.

Yeah, COA's list is awful.

DeyDurkie5;1563521 wrote:Yeah, COA's list is awful.

You're awful. Come up with own list for me to pwn or STFU. Thanks.

SportsAndLady;1563515 wrote:Any list where Gordon isn't #1 isn't credible IMO.

oh? 7 time all pro/pro bowler isn't our best player? lolk

Commander of Awesome;1563535 wrote:oh? 7 time all pro/pro bowler isn't our best player? lolk

No you're right, sorry, didn't realize you were doing a "best player in the last 7 years" list.

I thought it was a list of players this past season.

I am very curious to see what Gordon does with a solid, stable qb. I think his stats will actually go down a good bit...because A decent qb will spread it around

SportsAndLady;1563537 wrote:No you're right, sorry, didn't realize you were doing a "best player in the last 7 years" list.

I thought it was a list of players this past season.

Even this year, my answer would be the same Gino lover. Joe GOAThomas played every snap every game at an all pro level. They're both great players, but Gordon had games where he disappeared, GB/Bal games. % games out of 14 where he caught less than 5 balls, etc is why he's not #1. Also was suspended the first 2 games for being a fucking idiot. They're both pro bowlers, but Thomas is better for all the reasons listed. Not sure why you're being a little bitch boy dynasty about this.

ZOMG we disagree about 1 player, so now your lists suxors!!!!1111 /S&L fail logic

JT has been the browns best player the last 7 seasons (including this one). It's a safe bet he will be their best player next season too. I would honestly place Haden ahead of Gordon too for the time being.

Commander of Awesome;1563541 wrote:Even this year, my answer would be the same Gino lover. Joe GOAThomas played every snap every game at an all pro level. They're both great players, but Gordon had games where he disappeared, GB/Bal games. % games out of 14 where he caught less than 5 balls, etc is why he's not #1. Also was suspended the first 2 games for being a fucking idiot. They're both pro bowlers, but Thomas is better for all the reasons listed. Not sure why you're being a little bitch boy dynasty about this.

ZOMG we disagree about 1 player, so now your lists suxors!!!!1111 /S&L fail logic

Look, we are all browns fans here and we all have each other's backs. That won't change. But you seriously need to stop typing like a little 10 year old phaggot when it comes to arguments. Saying "zomg" everytime you think you "PWN" someone is just plain gay as shit.

Yeah, I liked the list as it was. Good list COA