se-alum
Posts: 13,948
Nov 26, 2013 9:23pm
What do you guys think is the best way to do this? Is it a matter of bringing in bigger name coaches, does it simply come down to recruiting, facilities, or is it something else? At the very least, we need PSU, UM, MSU, Wisky, and OSU to be ranked in the top 25 year in and year out.
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carmen
Posts: 109
Nov 26, 2013 9:25pm
Stop being one good team and 11 sucky teams. Simple.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Nov 26, 2013 9:41pm
Need to pay some assistants better money. The amount of money the B1G pays their coaches (assistants in particular) compared to other conferences id pitiful.
DerpStop being one good team and 11 sucky teams. Simple.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Nov 26, 2013 9:47pm
Sign a deal with espn.
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carmen
Posts: 109
Nov 26, 2013 9:53pm
Get better coaches, better recruits, better tv channel, do different style offenses, beef up the out of conference scheduling, dont pick up other scrub teams when you expand the conference, quit losing a high % of bowl games.
Azubuike24
Posts: 15,933
Nov 26, 2013 10:41pm
You're only as strong as your big boys. Sure, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin and maybe a few others in random years can step up and have great years. However, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State and Nebraska are all traditional top 20 programs. They have to be staples every year for the league to be strong, or at least 3 of them. Unfortunately, it's been OSU and the other 3 have all been somewhat down recently.
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MontyBrunswick
Nov 26, 2013 10:48pm
You have to look at the amount of churn in coaching staff in the Big Ten...that's what really drug it down.
Penn State, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio State, and Purdue I can think of off of the top of my head have new coaches in the past 5 years. You can't swap out that many pieces and expect it to keep humming along.
Penn State, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio State, and Purdue I can think of off of the top of my head have new coaches in the past 5 years. You can't swap out that many pieces and expect it to keep humming along.
sleeper
Posts: 27,879
Nov 26, 2013 11:09pm
This. Sign a multi-billion dollar contract with ESPN. Once the Big Ten network started, magically B1G respectability went down hill.ernest_t_bass;1543824 wrote:Sign a deal with espn.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 26, 2013 11:17pm
Yes, college football is all about coaching really. Saban, Spurrier, Miles, Richt, and then Sumlin, Franklin, Freeze, Malzahn and Pinkel are all really good coaches to be honest. These are all guys that can win on a very high level, I mean look at where the last five coaches have taken their programs. A&M has went from a solid Big 12 team to SEC power, Vanderbilt is decent now after being god awful forever, Ole Miss is decent, Auburn has went from 2-10 in a year to #4 in the country heading into the last game and Pinkel has Mizzou in the top 5 again.dlazz;1543840 wrote:You have to look at the amount of churn in coaching staff in the Big Ten...that's what really drug it down.
Penn State, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio State, and Purdue I can think of off of the top of my head have new coaches in the past 5 years. You can't swap out that many pieces and expect it to keep humming along.
The B1G has really only Meyer as far as elite goes, and he took a 6-6 team that promptly has won all 23 games as a coach. Dantonio, Peterson and O Brien are other good ones, maybe Fitzgerald too but that's about it. It's all about coaching
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Nov 26, 2013 11:17pm
Normally I'd agree with you, but the schools you list don't really prove your point.dlazz;1543840 wrote:You have to look at the amount of churn in coaching staff in the Big Ten...that's what really drug it down.
Penn State, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio State, and Purdue I can think of off of the top of my head have new coaches in the past 5 years. You can't swap out that many pieces and expect it to keep humming along.
Penn State's problem is the sanctions, otherwise O'Brien has done an excellent job with what he was given.
Ohio State doesn't have an issue so not sure why they'd be in the list.
Indiana is always bad.
I'll give you Michigan and Purdue though. Neither school can seem to find the right coach it seems.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 27, 2013 6:56am
The B1G doesn't need to lower its standards, the NCAA needs to man up and force other conferences to raise theirs. That means no over-signing, real penalties for academic infractions, and standards for scheduling - that is after a certain date (for example October 31) you must schedule either conference opponents or automatic qualifying conference opponents in order to maintain your automatic qualifying status. It is a joke the way many SEC schools schedule what amounts to be a bye week this late in the season.
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MontyBrunswick
Nov 27, 2013 7:11am
I missed another in Illinois.Fly4Fun;1543854 wrote:Normally I'd agree with you, but the schools you list don't really prove your point.
Point I was trying to make is that Michigan, Illinois, and Penn State are typically ranked and compete fairly well.
They all happen to have new coaches.
ernest_t_bass
Posts: 24,984
Nov 27, 2013 7:41am
Did you just call A&M an SEC power. Lol. STFU.Classyposter58;1543853 wrote:Yes, college football is all about coaching really. Saban, Spurrier, Miles, Richt, and then Sumlin, Franklin, Freeze, Malzahn and Pinkel are all really good coaches to be honest. These are all guys that can win on a very high level, I mean look at where the last five coaches have taken their programs. A&M has went from a solid Big 12 team to SEC power, Vanderbilt is decent now after being god awful forever, Ole Miss is decent, Auburn has went from 2-10 in a year to #4 in the country heading into the last game and Pinkel has Mizzou in the top 5 again.
The B1G has really only Meyer as far as elite goes, and he took a 6-6 team that promptly has won all 23 games as a coach. Dantonio, Peterson and O Brien are other good ones, maybe Fitzgerald too but that's about it. It's all about coaching
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Nov 27, 2013 8:11am
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Sonofanump
Nov 27, 2013 10:11am
National perception is early non-conference wins and bowl performance. This is a catch-22 for the B1G since they are well tied into excellent bowl games, many on New Year’s Day and many against opponents that finished higher in their conference. When they go 2-6 in the bowl season, it reflects a weaker conference.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Nov 27, 2013 10:28am
Be more shady, dirty and have lots of $$$ flowing like the SEC.
Mohican00
Posts: 3,394
Nov 27, 2013 10:46am
off topic I know, but Bill O'Brien could go winless and people would still say he's doing an excellent job.Fly4Fun;1543854 wrote:otherwise O'Brien has done an excellent job with what he was given.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Nov 27, 2013 1:57pm
How is uniform scheduling a "standard raiser"? Just because other conferences are setting it up to mesh best with the BCS system doesn't make them worse. The B1G is just stubborn as usualManhattan Buckeye;1543892 wrote:The B1G doesn't need to lower its standards, the NCAA needs to man up and force other conferences to raise theirs. That means no over-signing, real penalties for academic infractions, and standards for scheduling - that is after a certain date (for example October 31) you must schedule either conference opponents or automatic qualifying conference opponents in order to maintain your automatic qualifying status. It is a joke the way many SEC schools schedule what amounts to be a bye week this late in the season.
A conference could come out tomorrow and say they're playing their conference games first and all OOC in November and I wouldn't care, it's their prerogative (though that would be a peculiar one)
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 27, 2013 2:47pm
"How is uniform scheduling a "standard raiser"?"
Because no one wants to see Florida beat Georgia Southern by 40 in November....oh, wait.
Because no one wants to see Florida beat Georgia Southern by 40 in November....oh, wait.
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Nov 28, 2013 1:37pm
Ha the last two years yes. Plus under Sumlin recruiting has been greaternest_t_bass;1543901 wrote:Did you just call A&M an SEC power. Lol. STFU.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 28, 2013 2:30pm
I can't believe no one has pointed out the extremely obvious answer yet. I guess I'll keep waiting until someone does. It's very, very simple.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Nov 28, 2013 3:01pm
It's really simple.
Win January 1 games.
Also, win overall bowl games, don't be under .500.
And, bigger picture, win the big name out of conference games. Beat ND, SEC, and Pac-12 games.
How they do that, better coaches, better players and better recruiting.
Win January 1 games.
Also, win overall bowl games, don't be under .500.
And, bigger picture, win the big name out of conference games. Beat ND, SEC, and Pac-12 games.
How they do that, better coaches, better players and better recruiting.
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Nov 28, 2013 3:21pm
Who gives a shit what fans think?Manhattan Buckeye;1544054 wrote:"How is uniform scheduling a "standard raiser"?"
Because no one wants to see Florida beat Georgia Southern by 40 in November....oh, wait.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Nov 28, 2013 3:26pm
Finally someone said it. It's really that simple. Better players make better teams. Better players are not attending B1G schools.ptown_trojans_1;1544288 wrote:It's really simple.
Win January 1 games.
Also, win overall bowl games, don't be under .500.
And, bigger picture, win the big name out of conference games. Beat ND, SEC, and Pac-12 games.
How they do that, better coaches, better players and better recruiting.
http://lacrossetribune.com/sports/tom-oates-improved-recruiting-can-help-big-ten-s-image/article_995e330a-b527-11e2-b658-0019bb2963f4.html
Just one example. Ohio State, Michigan, Nebraska only B1G schools with top 30 classes for 2013. SEC? 13.
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carmen
Posts: 109
Nov 28, 2013 3:58pm
Sorry, but I said it awhile ago about needing better recruitscarmen;1543828 wrote:Get better coaches, better recruits, better tv channel, do different style offenses, beef up the out of conference scheduling, dont pick up other scrub teams when you expand the conference, quit losing a high % of bowl games.