hasbeen
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Nov 28, 2013 11:43pm
Just because it doesn't matter to them doesn't mean it doesn't affect their performance.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 29, 2013 9:33am
I was at state games at the show back in the 80's. I dont remember much other than the team lost, and remembering asking dad if it was such a big game then why was no one there!
I do look for a an uptick in attendance over NE ohio though. There will be a number of people who will want to attend some games just to get into the shoe. It is a pretty cool place. That alone will draw people. With it being more centralized will help as well.
Other states have their finals in big stadiums and I doubt it bothers any of those fans/players. I also think the kids would get more of a kick out of playing in the SHoe then at Massillon or Canton
I do look for a an uptick in attendance over NE ohio though. There will be a number of people who will want to attend some games just to get into the shoe. It is a pretty cool place. That alone will draw people. With it being more centralized will help as well.
Other states have their finals in big stadiums and I doubt it bothers any of those fans/players. I also think the kids would get more of a kick out of playing in the SHoe then at Massillon or Canton
GoChiefs
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Nov 29, 2013 10:01am
Attendance is going to suffer no matter where it is since it's live on TV now.
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thavoice
Posts: 14,376
Nov 29, 2013 1:01pm
Suffer compared to if there was no TV, I agree but I think there will be an uptick when it goes to the shoe because of the reasons I stated.GoChiefs;1544433 wrote:Attendance is going to suffer no matter where it is since it's live on TV now.
If it would stay in the shoe for lets say the same amount of time its been in NE Ohio, then I think you see a similiar decline percentage-wise.
redstreak one
Posts: 1,152
Nov 30, 2013 8:29am
Pick, way to cherry pick SEO when SWO ( who has more than their fair share of participants) and Western Ohio (Coldwater and the like) with the same have similar distances as SEO! lol And saying Canton/Massilon have options compared to Columbus is drinking the kool aid!
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superman
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Nov 30, 2013 8:32am
If they charge one price for all 7 games like they do in Indiana, attendance may go up.
Pick6
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Nov 30, 2013 10:52am
I never stated Canton/Massillon have options that Columbus didnt, because that isn't true at all. What they have to offer is tradition and a great atmosphere. Having the state finals is huge for the area. The majority of Columbus wouldn't give a damn. And you are the one that brought up SEO, not me. I'm aware of Coldwater, MSML, etc...and have never heard of their fans complaining about making the trip yearly.redstreak one;1544676 wrote:Pick, way to cherry pick SEO when SWO ( who has more than their fair share of participants) and Western Ohio (Coldwater and the like) with the same have similar distances as SEO! lol And saying Canton/Massilon have options compared to Columbus is drinking the kool aid!
PS- 4 NEO teams clinched their spot to the finals last night, and at least one and potentially 3 more tonight.
Pick6
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Nov 30, 2013 10:53am
I do think attendance would go up due to the centralized location (however fans of teams are going to go no matter where the game is played) and the games being in one stadium. Driving from Massillon to Canton between games is a bit of an inconvenience with the traffic and parking.
redstreak one
Posts: 1,152
Nov 30, 2013 11:05am
No pick, I mentioned all three parts of Ohio that drive 3+ hours to get to Canton.redstreak one;1544330 wrote:So NEO has a slight percentage more in the finals, so some schools from SWO have to drive 3+ hours 1 way, 3+ hours from Western Ohio and 3+ hours from SEO, to play? lol
Pick6
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Nov 30, 2013 11:20am
and I've never heard a fan/player from either school complain they have to drive SO far to play/watch in the state championship. You want it to be in a central location for your reasons, not for the betterment of the players/fans.redstreak one;1544709 wrote:No pick, I mentioned all three parts of Ohio that drive 3+ hours to get to Canton.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Nov 30, 2013 12:00pm
It's not like players are going to bitch about it. I'm sure they aren't happy.Pick6;1544715 wrote:and I've never heard a fan/player from either school complain they have to drive SO far to play/watch in the state championship. You want it to be in a central location for your reasons, not for the betterment of the players/fans.
It is for betterment of the players. Long drives do effect performance.
You want it to stay in Canton for your own reasons.
ts1227
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Nov 30, 2013 8:22pm
I think it'll hurt because there are less casual fans in the area. I'd venture to say that Central Ohio cares the least about HSFBPick6;1544704 wrote:I do think attendance would go up due to the centralized location (however fans of teams are going to go no matter where the game is played) and the games being in one stadium. Driving from Massillon to Canton between games is a bit of an inconvenience with the traffic and parking.
NEO obviously cares, NWO has the MAC contingent that follows closely, SWO has Cincinnati that cares and that's about it, and SEO has a spread out lukewarm following.
No one in Columbus gives a shit, so the local casual draw will be abysmal. They'll all be watching the B1G title games at bars or home and they just maybe will turn a TV to STO for a while
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superman
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Nov 30, 2013 9:29pm
Not having to drive to thd armpit of Ohio will be a huge plus.
Classyposter58
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Nov 30, 2013 9:36pm
Long drives do not bother you at all in huge games, you think kids going to state titles are worried about the long drive? You get to the site so early it doesn't even matter, I remember going down to C-Bus for states and no one cared about the drive at all. Also as TS said, Central Ohio doesn't care about HS Football much at all, while northern Ohio teams generally have huge followings. But there's something about playing the games in Massillon and Canton, it's the best places for HS Football in the nation and it should stay therehasbeen;1544724 wrote:It's not like players are going to bitch about it. I'm sure they aren't happy.
It is for betterment of the players. Long drives do effect performance.
You want it to stay in Canton for your own reasons.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Nov 30, 2013 10:02pm
but..but..nobody cares about playing in the hall of fame stadium where professional football players play and legends come to every year....they only care about the shoe!Classyposter58;1545214 wrote:Long drives do not bother you at all in huge games, you think kids going to state titles are worried about the long drive? You get to the site so early it doesn't even matter, I remember going down to C-Bus for states and no one cared about the drive at all. Also as TS said, Central Ohio doesn't care about HS Football much at all, while northern Ohio teams generally have huge followings. But there's something about playing the games in Massillon and Canton, it's the best places for HS Football in the nation and it should stay there
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Nov 30, 2013 10:07pm
Again, I'm not talking about what kids are 'worried' about or 'care' about. A long drive takes a toll, whether you notice or not. Reason why most College teams leave the day before a travel game.Classyposter58;1545214 wrote:Long drives do not bother you at all in huge games, you think kids going to state titles are worried about the long drive? You get to the site so early it doesn't even matter, I remember going down to C-Bus for states and no one cared about the drive at all. Also as TS said, Central Ohio doesn't care about HS Football much at all, while northern Ohio teams generally have huge followings. But there's something about playing the games in Massillon and Canton, it's the best places for HS Football in the nation and it should stay there
Classyposter58
Posts: 6,321
Dec 1, 2013 2:42am
Ha it's 3 hours tops, that's not something that takes a toll on you. 8 hour drives are the ones that do, but not ones within your own state, plus when you're 16-17 you have so much energy it's unrealhasbeen;1545238 wrote:Again, I'm not talking about what kids are 'worried' about or 'care' about. A long drive takes a toll, whether you notice or not. Reason why most College teams leave the day before a travel game.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Dec 1, 2013 10:41am
Classyposter58;1545355 wrote:Ha it's 3 hours tops, that's not something that takes a toll on you. 8 hour drives are the ones that do, but not ones within your own state, plus when you're 16-17 you have so much energy it's unreal
When you're comparing a 3 hour drive to a 30 minutes drive, there is absolutely a difference.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Dec 1, 2013 4:15pm
To think an extra 2.5 hours on a bus going to play the State Championship is going to make any difference on the performance of a bunch of 17 year old kids is ridiculous.hasbeen;1545432 wrote:When you're comparing a 3 hour drive to a 30 minutes drive, there is absolutely a difference.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Dec 1, 2013 8:48pm
To think a long bus ride doesn't effect a kid whether it's physical, mental, emotional, slow start, whatever is ridiculous.GoChiefs;1545786 wrote:To think an extra 2.5 hours on a bus going to play the State Championship is going to make any difference on the performance of a bunch of 17 year old kids is ridiculous.
Agree to disagree.
Whatevs.
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thavoice
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Dec 2, 2013 10:05am
Depending on when they play, some teams stay the night before. Our school has stayed the night before a few times. Last year htey drove up the day of the game and went on to win so who knows. I know as an old guy I wouldnt want to play after riding for that long, but to be honest.....the teams have been on some roadies 2 plus hours in the season or playoffs so going a bit further isnt bad. I believe our team stops at some place on the way to eat, and go through some walk throughs so they arent just sitting for 3.5 hours.