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Nov 21, 2013 12:59 PM
Watched the video. Fuck those black fucks.
Nov 21, 2013 12:59pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:04 PM
BR1986FB;1540486 wrote:Should've put a few in his head to make sure the "game" ended for him.
From the sound of it, the game has ended for him anyway. And nobody had to die. I call that a win.

I have a feeling being shot at all will go a long way to keeping him from playing the game again.
Nov 21, 2013 1:04pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:06 PM
O-Trap;1540503 wrote:From the sound of it, the game has ended for him anyway. And nobody had to die. I call that a win.

I have a feeling being shot at all will go a long way to keeping him from playing the game again.
Would be better if they put a bullet in his head. Good riddance.
Nov 21, 2013 1:06pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:09 PM
SportsAndLady;1540508 wrote:Would be better if they put a bullet in his head. Good riddance.
Agreed. Might have given some of the other punks a wake up call.
Nov 21, 2013 1:09pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:15 PM
gut;1540447 wrote:I don't think it matters. If you have witnesses or visual evidence he had a group backing him up, whether they were directly involved or not, I think a case can be made for felonious assault on multiple levels.
One COULD be among a group of friends and not realize that two of them have elected to play said game. Seems like it would be too easy for the rest to say, "I don't know why he did it," without much evidence to rebut the claim.
gut;1540447 wrote:The threat and potential for harm matters.
But the felt threat or potential for harm doesn't make someone guilty of a crime, though. If I feel threatened by a guy walking down an alley behind me, whom I perceive as "creepy looking," it doesn't follow that he can justly be charged.

In the same way, being in the proximity of a felony and even knowing the perpetrator doesn't inherently establish guilt, and I think it would be rather difficult to prove any more than that without video evidence.
gut;1540447 wrote:And from the perspective of the victim, if one guy approaches to attack you with several friends who could jump in. To me that's pretty similar to assault with a deadly weapon because this is a fight you can't win, so you can't really defend yourself. Potentially facing 3 or more guys might as well be the same as a guy pointing a gun in your face - trying to defend yourself could very likely result in death.
It's a stretch at best, though, because who is to say that the onlookers would actually jump in? That seems speculative. They could easily deny any inclination or intent to do so, and again, there seems to be no rebuttal to that.

The victim's perspective is subjective, which is the problem. I can sympathize with the feeling that they "might" jump in, but the victim's fears and/or emotions aren't evidence of anything.
gut;1540447 wrote:In such a case, I think the jury should have the option to consider felony assault.
I just don't see it. For a jury to consider felonious assault, I think there would have to be some kind of evidence against those looking on, given the innocence until proven guilt. I can't see any reasonable proof ... or evidence that is anything but circumstantial, really.

Keep in mind, I'm not suggesting an entire group of bored little shits would be involved. I'm not saying they wouldn't DESERVE the charge if they're involved. I just don't think you can prove it.
Nov 21, 2013 1:15pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:17 PM
rmolin73;1540389 wrote:When have I ever said this wasn't about race? You have to come better than that.
Of course its about race. And people wonder why cops stop a group of black teenagers over white ones; its not racism, its because blacks do shit like this.
Nov 21, 2013 1:17pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:18 PM
sleeper;1540518 wrote: its because blacks do shit like this.
Unless it's a pack of Skinheads.
Nov 21, 2013 1:18pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:21 PM
sleeper;1540518 wrote:Of course its about race. And people wonder why cops stop a group of black teenagers over white ones; its not racism, its because blacks do shit like this.
This.
Nov 21, 2013 1:21pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:22 PM
BR1986FB;1540519 wrote:Unless it's a pack of Skinheads.
that's the exception to a group of whites. you can't tell by looking at a group of young black kids.
Nov 21, 2013 1:22pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:25 PM
I mean I live in DC and there are always a pack of black teenagers hanging out somewhere. I'd be lying if I didn't avoid them at all costs; I do not talk to them and I cross the street.

But I guess that makes me a racist, whatever. I'm a rational human being who knows the chances of getting beat up are slim to none, but if I am going to get beat up chances are good its a bunch of black teenagers that would do it.
Nov 21, 2013 1:25pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:26 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1540522 wrote:that's the exception to a group of whites. you can't tell by looking at a group of young black kids.
Understood.
Nov 21, 2013 1:26pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:27 PM
Wow. That's a horrifying video. These are not humans and they and their ilk should be disposed of on scene like rabid dogs.
Nov 21, 2013 1:27pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:29 PM
Sleeper, I have to ask: If a group of white kids, dressed the same way, were hanging in the same place, looking the same by all other accounts, would you avoid them in the same fashion?

Truthfully, I know far too many white kids who would do something like this just as quickly. There are just fewer of them in the area in which I live (less than 10% of the neighborhood population is considered white).

Proportionally, however, it's not that different.
Nov 21, 2013 1:29pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:34 PM
O-Trap;1540539 wrote:Sleeper, I have to ask: If a group of white kids, dressed the same way, were hanging in the same place, looking the same by all other accounts, would you avoid them in the same fashion?

Truthfully, I know far too many white kids who would do something like this just as quickly. There are just fewer of them in the area in which I live (less than 10% of the neighborhood population is considered white).

Proportionally, however, it's not that different.
Its possible I would avoid them but I rarely see a bunch of white kids acting like thugs. Hell just last night picking up a pizza I walked in and saw 6 black teens acting like a bunch of morons with their pants at their knees and speaking some form of ebonics. You bet your ass I had the adrenaline pumping ready to defend myself if needed.
Nov 21, 2013 1:34pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:35 PM
O-Trap;1540539 wrote:Sleeper, I have to ask: If a group of white kids, dressed the same way, were hanging in the same place, looking the same by all other accounts, would you avoid them in the same fashion?

Truthfully, I know far too many white kids who would do something like this just as quickly. There are just fewer of them in the area in which I live (less than 10% of the neighborhood population is considered white).

Proportionally, however, it's not that different.
Inherently, I'd be more cautious of the gang of blacks, but, especially in a larger city like D.C. where violence is more of a concern, I'd do my best to avoid coming in contact with both. Maybe nothing bad would come of it, but nothing good is likely to either.
Nov 21, 2013 1:35pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:40 PM
O-Trap;1540539 wrote:Sleeper, I have to ask: If a group of white kids, dressed the same way, were hanging in the same place, looking the same by all other accounts, would you avoid them in the same fashion?

Truthfully, I know far too many white kids who would do something like this just as quickly. There are just fewer of them in the area in which I live (less than 10% of the neighborhood population is considered white).

Proportionally, however, it's not that different.
This question is always hilarious to me. Because you're clearly insinuating that we are racist because we see a group of black thugs and walk the other way.

Yes otrap, if it were white thugs, we'd walk right through their group with bills hanging out of our pockets and not a concern in the world.
Nov 21, 2013 1:40pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:42 PM
sleeper;1540546 wrote:Its possible I would avoid them but I rarely see a bunch of white kids acting like thugs. Hell just last night picking up a pizza I walked in and saw 6 black teens acting like a bunch of morons with their pants at their knees and speaking some form of ebonics. You bet your ass I had the adrenaline pumping ready to defend myself if needed.
Over half the population in the DC area is black, so you're probably going to see more black kids who fit the description. It's a numbers game, much like where I live. I see more black kids hanging on the streets as well, but it's because there are more of them in the neighborhood.
reclegend22;1540547 wrote:Inherently, I'd be more cautious of the gang of blacks, but, especially in a larger city like D.C. where violence is more of a concern, I'd do my best to avoid coming in contact with both. Maybe nothing bad would come of it, but nothing good is likely to either.
You never know. I'm not saying anyone should go out of their way to talk to, or interact with, anyone else.
Nov 21, 2013 1:42pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:45 PM
SportsAndLady;1540556 wrote:This question is always hilarious to me. Because you're clearly insinuating that we are racist because we see a group of black thugs and walk the other way.

Yes otrap, if it were white thugs, we'd walk right through their group with bills hanging out of our pockets and not a concern in the world.
Not at all. I'm not insinuating anything. I would do the same thing. Skin color would be irrelevant.

If I saw a group of black kids that looked like they were looking for trouble, I'd avoid them. It just wouldn't be because they were black. As such, I'm not sure I'd have reason to mention it, were that not part of the discussion we're having.
Nov 21, 2013 1:45pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:47 PM
O-Trap;1540563 wrote:Not at all. I'm not insinuating anything. I would do the same thing. Skin color would be irrelevant.

If I saw a group of black kids that looked like they were looking for trouble, I'd avoid them. It just wouldn't be because they were black. As such, I'm not sure I'd have reason to mention it, were that not part of the discussion we're having.
I don't think sleeper goes through the streets avoiding black people. So why ask him if that question? Thugs are thugs. Skin color doesn't matter (although there are more black thugs than any other skin color) and whether or not you'd avoid thugs doesn't depend on their skin color.
Nov 21, 2013 1:47pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:48 PM
O-Trap;1540539 wrote:Sleeper, I have to ask: If a group of white kids, dressed the same way, were hanging in the same place, looking the same by all other accounts, would you avoid them in the same fashion?

Truthfully, I know far too many white kids who would do something like this just as quickly. There are just fewer of them in the area in which I live (less than 10% of the neighborhood population is considered white).

Proportionally, however, it's not that different.
I'd venture to say that a lot of black people would be less apprehensive to walk past a group of white youth versus a group of black youth as well. The reputation is there, and it's a natural reaction to profile, whether consciously or subconsciously. JMO.
Nov 21, 2013 1:48pm
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Nov 21, 2013 1:48 PM
O-Trap;1540516 wrote: It's a stretch at best, though, because who is to say that the onlookers would actually jump in? That seems speculative. They could easily deny any inclination or intent to do so, and again, there seems to be no rebuttal to that.
Isn't the entire basis of perceived threat speculation? Laws vary by state, but the intent to "knock out" someone could be considered an intent to cause serious bodily harm, and that would qualify as felony assault even without a weapon.

A group of thugs is every bit as dangerous as single thug with a gun. Doesn't matter if only one of them is an aggressor. The basis of assault with a deadly weapon is not only about the potential for serious harm, but the inability of someone to properly defend themselves.

I think people who commit violence/assault as part of a group should be charged with a felony. I'm not saying charge the whole group, but I think it's pretty obvious that flash mobs/groups embolden criminals just as much as a weapon does.

It doesn't matter if his buddies would or wouldn't come to his aid (they likely would). They might as well be holding a gun, because it's pretty much the same implication for you defending yourself or another coming to your aid
Nov 21, 2013 1:48pm
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Nov 21, 2013 2:20 PM
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Nov 21, 2013 2:20pm
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Nov 21, 2013 2:22 PM
Automatik;1540597 wrote:[video=youtube;gzptOuQ0M9U][/video]
Yep.
O-Trap;1540374 wrote:Well, it was bound to happen.

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Nov 21, 2013 2:22pm
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Nov 21, 2013 2:27 PM
Oops, didn't read the entire thread.
Nov 21, 2013 2:27pm
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Nov 21, 2013 2:30 PM
Automatik;1540605 wrote:Oops, didn't read the entire thread.
No worries. It was a page back. I was just busting your balls.
Nov 21, 2013 2:30pm