Archive The only quarterback worth drafting this year is...

se-alum

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Nov 14, 2013 3:43pm

Automatik;1535654 wrote:I'm not sure Miller has a future in the NFL, but I'll be pulling for him. He still has a year to get better, so we shall see.

Honestly, I didn't think he could play in the NFL either, but his passing and, more importantly, his ability to go through his reads has improved tremendously. Another summer with Whitfield, and another season, I think he will be a first or 2nd rounder next year.

Automatik

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Nov 14, 2013 3:46pm

He's greatly improved in his ability to read a D and go through progressions. I'm actually surprised in how far he's come in that regards.

I'm just not sure if he can handle the physical nature of the NFL. Will he be able to handle the hits?

robj55

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Nov 14, 2013 3:50pm

lhslep134;1535484 wrote:Sounds like you haven't watch Johnny Football at this all year then. His accuracy has been great, at the very worst it's very close to Russell's during his JR year @ NCSU and his SR year @ Wisco. He's suffered the past 2 or 3 weeks because of his injuries. Before them, he was pretty spectacular with the delivery and ball placement of his throws.

I'm not advocating him to the Browns though, because of his recklessness. If he can cut down on that, I'm sold.

He is accurate but gets bailed out a lot by Mike Evans, I've seen him make some horrible reads and throws only to have them completed.

se-alum

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Nov 14, 2013 3:52pm

Automatik;1535663 wrote:He's greatly improved in his ability to read a D and go through progressions. I'm actually surprised in how far he's come in that regards.

I'm just not sure if he can handle the physical nature of the NFL. Will he be able to handle the hits?

Totally agree on the question of him being able to handle the physicality of the NFL, but that question is there for Manziel to, and people have him pretty high on the board.

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vball10set

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Nov 14, 2013 4:09pm

robj55;1535667 wrote:He is accurate but gets bailed out a lot by Mike Evans, I've seen him make some horrible reads and throws only to have them completed.

Yup

Pick6

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Nov 14, 2013 4:38pm

Curious to what the supposed knock on Bridgewater is. Been on his bandwagon since the beginning of the season, and still am.

Automatik

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Nov 14, 2013 4:40pm

I'd like to know that as well. He's got the best deep ball I've seen this season. I did tail off on watching Louisville though, it's been a few weeks.

lhslep134

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Nov 14, 2013 6:34pm

robj55;1535667 wrote:He is accurate but gets bailed out a lot by Mike Evans

Those aren't mutually exclusive dude. He can still be extremely accurate and get bailed out.

Ever watch Stafford with Calvin? When you have a stud who can catch in traffic, you're much more tempted to just throw it up and let them do their thing. That's the case with Manziel/Evans.

Classyposter58

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Nov 14, 2013 7:15pm

lhslep134;1535786 wrote:Those aren't mutually exclusive dude. He can still be extremely accurate and get bailed out.

Ever watch Stafford with Calvin? When you have a stud who can catch in traffic, you're much more tempted to just throw it up and let them do their thing. That's the case with Manziel/Evans.

Even Green with Dalton too. But yeah when the play has broken down usually it's just a fuck it I'm gonna throw it to CJ and see what happens. On a side note, CJ has to be the best player of Jackpot in the history of history. Had to of absolutely dominated at recess

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Footwedge

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Nov 14, 2013 8:06pm

Heretic;1535447 wrote:Considering that players are a lot larger and stronger and faster than they were in the 70s, I'm not sure what the Tarkenton reference was supposed to accomplish. A lot of great players from that era who would be dismal flops today if they were just dropped into the NFL without access to today's training/weight-lifting/etc. techniques.

LOL. My allusion to Tarkenton was spot on. Manziel is faster and quicker than Fran was...thus the reference. The crap about today's athletes being this and that...blah..blah...blah...is beyond annoying.

Tarkenton excelled in his era...Manziel is excelling in this era.

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Footwedge

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Nov 14, 2013 8:08pm

SportsAndLady;1535303 wrote:Shut up footwedge

Way to contribute to the topic, fuckstick.

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Footwedge

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Nov 14, 2013 8:10pm

se-alum;1535330 wrote:Intelligence typically wins out in the NFL over athletic ability. I don't trust Manziel to be able to read defenses and survive being hit by NFL defenses.

Yeah he sure looked dumb as hell as he hung 42 points on Alabama this year didn't he? Lame.

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Footwedge

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Nov 14, 2013 8:14pm

robj55;1535324 wrote:Russell Wilson is more accurate and has way better intangibles. Wilson has character off the charts and Manziel is getting thrown out of Manning camp for being hungover, his character flaws are enough to stray away from him. Vick can't stay healthy and neither will Manziel be able to. He is nicked up almost every game in college. Also, some of the plays he makes are amazing but also extremely lucky.

Stats say otherwise. Try again. As for his off the field antics, he's 20 years old and the best football player in the college ranks. My guess will be that he grows up. He's not a substance abuser...so the worry is pretty remote. Also...who gives a shit if he's a pompous ass? Read Unitas' profile sometime. Or Bobby Lane...list is endless.

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Footwedge

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Nov 14, 2013 8:16pm

believer;1535386 wrote:Manziel will get drafted...and fade into obscurity as he rides the bench as a back-up for a real NFL QB.

And you rationalize your opinion...how? Because he's not an altar boy? Mmmmkay.

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Footwedge

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Nov 14, 2013 8:17pm

Scarlet_Buckeye;1535443 wrote:IMO, there's no QBs worth drafting this year. To me, they ALL have major flaws.

All of them have flaws...except Johhny football.

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Footwedge

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Nov 14, 2013 8:30pm

Looks like Aikman and Brees agree with me. But what the fukk do they know?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/14/aikman-brees-are-high-on-johnny-manziels-nfl-future/

Maybe because he ran for 100 yards and threw for 460 yards on God's team. 5 td passes to boot.

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vball10set

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Nov 14, 2013 9:48pm

His name is Johnny Manziel...use it.

robj55

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Nov 14, 2013 10:31pm

Footwedge;1535851 wrote:All of them have flaws...except Johhny football.

LOL he has no flaws? He has TONS of flaws and red flags.

se-alum

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Nov 14, 2013 10:33pm

Footwedge;1535847 wrote:Yeah he sure looked dumb as hell as he hung 42 points on Alabama this year didn't he? Lame.

Tons of college QB's that put up big numbers and never pan out in the NFL. They're called system QB's, and they can't hack it in the league because they've never had to read a defense past one or two reads.

lhslep134

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Nov 15, 2013 11:20am

se-alum;1535915 wrote: they can't hack it in the league because they've never had to read a defense past one or two reads.

Because Alabama didn't force Manziel to go through his reads...

:rolleyes:

lhslep134

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Nov 15, 2013 11:23am

se-alum;1535659 wrote:Honestly, I didn't think he could play in the NFL either, but his passing and, more importantly, his ability to go through his reads has improved tremendously. Another summer with Whitfield, and another season, I think he will be a first or 2nd rounder next year.

se-alum;1535915 wrote:Tons of college QB's that put up big numbers and never pan out in the NFL. They're called system QB's, and they can't hack it in the league because they've never had to read a defense past one or two reads.

You're preaching the fact that Braxton worked with Whitfield, and how much it's improved his read progression and in the same breath discounting the fact that Manziel worked with Whitfield too and also has improved a great ton in progressing through his reads.

Thanks for the laugh, I get a kick out of blatant hypocrisy.

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queencitybuckeye

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Nov 15, 2013 11:35am

Footwedge;1535843 wrote:LOL. My allusion to Tarkenton was spot on. Manziel is faster and quicker than Fran was...thus the reference.

In comparison to those chasing him, he isn't.

Iliketurtles

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Nov 15, 2013 11:38am

lhslep134;1536161 wrote:You're preaching the fact that Braxton worked with Whitfield, and how much it's improved his read progression and in the same breath discounting the fact that Manziel worked with Whitfield too and also has improved a great ton in progressing through his reads.

Thanks for the laugh, I get a kick out of blatant hypocrisy.

Lol Reps.

As for Manziel I think he has flaws and could be a decent a guy. I'm really not sold on any of the QBs coming out. I'm sure some will be good but it's going to be hit or miss. If I had to take one guy I'd probably go with Aaron Murray.

Automatik

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Nov 15, 2013 11:57am

lhslep134;1536161 wrote:You're preaching the fact that Braxton worked with Whitfield, and how much it's improved his read progression and in the same breath discounting the fact that Manziel worked with Whitfield too and also has improved a great ton in progressing through his reads.

Thanks for the laugh, I get a kick out of blatant hypocrisy.

It's obvious, a lot of people discounting Manziel haven't really watched much of him.

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Manhattan Buckeye

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Nov 15, 2013 12:11pm

The NFL is as much of a leap from college as college is from HS. Running QB's don't last long and the play is ridiculously fast. I can only think of two college QB's in recent memory that were sure things in the NFL - Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck based on their skill, leadership and work ethic. Everything else is a crapshoot. You might get a Tom Brady or Drew Brees, or you might get a Ryan Leaf or David Klingler.

Even recent media darlings like Newton, Kaepernick and RGIII have taken their lumps in the NFL.

I don't see Manziel (or anyone else in this year's QB class) distinguishing themselves.