2013/14 NBA season chatter - let the LBJ hating begin!

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Jun 24, 2014 10:15 PM
lhslep134;1629600 wrote:I think it was ONE THING. Lebron needed help in the finals against a team that made them work on both ends (unlike Indy), Wade COULDN'T deliver because he BROKE DOWN and IS NO LONGER GOOD.


Any other conclusion is misguided. Your conclusion is even more than misguided, it's delusional.
I just gave you numbers that say that he is still very good/elite. To say he is no longer good is laughable. Like I said if it were any other player who played 32 mpg and averaged 19, 5 and 4 on 55% we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Some of you are letting the finals cloud your judgement and are delusional.
Jun 24, 2014 10:15pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:15 PM
Lol fucking Rio.
Jun 24, 2014 10:15pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:16 PM
like_that;1629603 wrote:http://instagram.com/p/ppTUXDP4Ut/#
Maybe his ass should have showed up more when it mattered then and got better over the years instead of being the same inconsistent/mistake prone player.
Jun 24, 2014 10:16pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:17 PM
robj55;1629598 wrote:No way, there is no way anyone can name me 25 better all around players than DWade right now, not even close.
(in no order) Lebron, Durant, Love, Curry, Harden, Griffin, CP3, Westbrook, Noah, Lowry, Dirk, Paul George, Anthony Davis, Carmelo Anthony, Serge Ibaka, Tony Parker, Bosh, David West, Marc Gasol, Dwight Howard, John Wall, Lamarcus Aldridge, Tim Duncan, Al Jefferson, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Drummond, Manu Ginobili

And I've left a bunch of players off.

It's not close dude, give it up.

Edit: I didn't even include Mike Conley, who is definitely a better two way player as well.
Jun 24, 2014 10:17pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:19 PM
robj55;1629604 wrote:I just gave you numbers that say that he is still very good/elite. To say he is no longer good is laughable. Like I said if it were any other player who played 32 mpg and averaged 19, 5 and 4 on 55% we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Some of you are letting the finals cloud your judgement and are delusional.
Yeah he's still good, I changed my post to say ELITE
Jun 24, 2014 10:19pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:20 PM
lhslep134;1629607 wrote:(in no order) Lebron, Durant, Love, Curry, Harden, Griffin, CP3, Westbrook, Noah, Lowry, Dirk, Paul George, Anthony Davis, Carmelo Anthony, Serge Ibaka, Tony Parker, Bosh, David West, Marc Gasol, Dwight Howard, John Wall, Lamarcus Aldridge, Tim Duncan, Al Jefferson, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Drummond, Manu Ginobili

And I've left a bunch of players off.

It's not close dude, give it up.
The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.
Jun 24, 2014 10:20pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:23 PM
robj55;1629598 wrote:No way, there is no way anyone can name me 25 better all around players than DWade right now, not even close.
Just better players period than Wade, right NOW. Not career wise, but right now.

1.Durant
2. James
3. Noah
4. Chris Paul
5. James Harden
6. Griffin
7. Love
8. Dwight
9. Steph Curry
10.Tony Parker
11. Paul George
12. Lamarcus Aldridge
13. Lillard
14.Al Jefferson
15. Dragic
16. Melo
17. Al Jefferson
18. Kyrie Irving(when healthy)
19. Demarcus Cousins
20. Tim Duncan
21. John Wall
22. Anthony Davis
23. Russell Westbrook
24. Marc Gasol
25.Rudy Gay

Plenty others left off too not in any particular order either
Jun 24, 2014 10:23pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:23 PM
Rob means the East right? Easily top 25 in the East?
Jun 24, 2014 10:23pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:24 PM
robj55;1629609 wrote:The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.
Wade is better than Melo , Harden and the 1st team all NBA center. Guess I learned somethin today haha
Jun 24, 2014 10:24pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:26 PM
Laley23;1629611 wrote:Rob means the East right? Easily top 25 in the East?
I mean you could probably find 25 in the East with a decent argument...lol
Jun 24, 2014 10:26pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:26 PM
robj55;1629609 wrote:The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.
Did you seriously mean to leave Noah unbolded??? Get the fuck out of here if so. I dont mean to say All-NBA is the end all be all...but come on. To say a 1st team selection isnt better than Wade...just lol
Jun 24, 2014 10:26pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:28 PM
robj55;1629609 wrote:The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.
LMAO at Rob asking for 25 better all around players and then getting all (unjustifiably) defensive when I include players who might be worse offensively but you know, play more than a smidge of D. Rob, since you're struggling with generally accepted truths tonight, WADE DOESN'T PLAY DEFENSE

Just admit you don't watch the NBA and move on.
Jun 24, 2014 10:28pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:28 PM
robj55;1629609 wrote:The bolded are the only one's who are better, the rest aren't as complete or good all around. Some of those are laughable.
If the Spurs offered Kawhi for Wade right now, Pat Riley accepts before he finishes his sentence.
Jun 24, 2014 10:28pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:30 PM
KB0938;1629610 wrote:Just better players period than Wade, right NOW. Not career wise, but right now.

1.Durant
2. James
3. Noah
4. Chris Paul
5. James Harden
6. Griffin
7. Love
8. Dwight
9. Steph Curry
10.Tony Parker
11. Paul George
12. Lamarcus Aldridge
13. Lillard
14.Al Jefferson
15. Dragic
16. Melo
17. Al Jefferson
18. Kyrie Irving(when healthy)
19. Demarcus Cousins
20. Tim Duncan
21. John Wall
22. Anthony Davis
23. Russell Westbrook
24. Marc Gasol
25.Rudy Gay

Plenty others left off too not in any particular order either
SMH man, no way you actually believe that.
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Jun 24, 2014 10:31 PM
robj55;1629619 wrote:SMH man, no way you actually believe that.
No, i most def do. You seem to be the one whos gone off the deep end lol. This isnt 2006 or w/e Wade. Its 2014

You just said Wade is better than Noah, Carmelo and James Harden. Among others you left unbolded on the other list, and god knows who you disagree with on mine, but apparently you and the rest of us view Wade VERRRRRRRY differently
Jun 24, 2014 10:31pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:32 PM
KB0938;1629612 wrote:Wade is better than Melo , Harden and the 1st team all NBA center. Guess I learned somethin today haha
Yes, all they do is take a ton more bad shots and are inefficient while playing zero defense. Noah has no offensive game what so ever so he is disqualified, talking about all around complete basketball players.
Jun 24, 2014 10:32pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:33 PM
robj55;1629619 wrote:SMH man, no way you actually believe that.
What does D Wade do that is elite?
Jun 24, 2014 10:33pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:33 PM
HighRoller74;1629618 wrote:If the Spurs offered Kawhi for Wade right now, Pat Riley accepts before he finishes his sentence.
He's 21 years old, and that system makes him look better than what he is. He averaged 13 ppg. You could plug a number of SF's into that role and they would be as good or better than he is.
Jun 24, 2014 10:33pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:34 PM
D-Wade turns it over every 5th time he touches it.
Jun 24, 2014 10:34pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:34 PM
robj55;1629622 wrote:Yes, all they do is take a ton more bad shots and are inefficient while playing zero defense. Noah has no offensive game what so ever so he is disqualified, talking about all around complete basketball players.
D Wade hasn't played a lick of D since he was 25. Just stop.

All around, complete basketball players? D Wade is not one those players anymore.
Jun 24, 2014 10:34pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:34 PM
Laley23;1629615 wrote:Did you seriously mean to leave Noah unbolded??? Get the fuck out of here if so. I dont mean to say All-NBA is the end all be all...but come on. To say a 1st team selection isnt better than Wade...just lol
He has no offensive game, how can you be included when you are inept on one side of the floor? I love Noah's game but I'm talking about complete all around players who are elite.
Jun 24, 2014 10:34pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:34 PM
robj55;1629622 wrote:Yes, all they do is take a ton more bad shots and are inefficient while playing zero defense. Noah has no offensive game what so ever so he is disqualified, talking about all around complete basketball players.
We're talking about top 25 players period, not best all around game in the nba. Just top 25 players period, a place where wade does not reside.

And theres advance defense stats that show Melo plays better defense in some situations (Post being one of them, i forget the other) than James. Hes not an elite defender, but lol he plays just as much D as Wades feeble self. Wade gambles for steals and cherry picks more than he locks up, hes not the young version of himself anymore.

Harden plays not even a tiny bit of defense, but hes THAT good of an offensive player that he is good enough to be 1st team all NBA, something that Wade cannot even fathom anymore.
Jun 24, 2014 10:34pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:35 PM
wildcats20;1629614 wrote:I mean you could probably find 25 in the East with a decent argument...lol
What the hell. lol

1.) James
2.) George
3.) Noah
4.) Melo
5.) Jefferson
6.) Wall
7.) West
8.) Irving
9.) Lance
10.) Bosh
11.) Rondo
12.)Monroe
13.) Drummond

I could only logically get to 13 without question. I could make arguments for a few more (Jimmy Butler, Kemba Walker, Al Horford, Deron Williams)
Jun 24, 2014 10:35pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:35 PM
robj55;1629627 wrote:He has no offensive game, how can you be included when you are inept on one side of the floor? I love Noah's game but I'm talking about complete all around players who are elite.
How are you including a player who can't even GET ON THE FLOOR???
Jun 24, 2014 10:35pm
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Jun 24, 2014 10:35 PM
wildcats20;1629626 wrote:D Wade hasn't played a lick of D since he was 25. Just stop.

All around, complete basketball players? D Wade is not one those players anymore.
Guess you haven't watched him play then, because he plays more D than those two could ever dream of. 19, 5 and 5 with that efficiency is all around. On one good leg at that.
Jun 24, 2014 10:35pm