oberhaus
Posts: 868
Oct 8, 2013 12:42pm
VW is luxury? And yes...the TDI has outstanding torque.LJ;1514964 wrote:That's a great sales pitch for you. You are trying to talk me from a luxary awd vehicle with 400 ft lb of torque and over 30 mpg, to a midrange vehicle with a 4cyl. Not even the same class bub.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Oct 8, 2013 12:45pm
oberhaus;1514968 wrote:VW is luxury? And yes...the TDI has outstanding torque.
The top end ones, yes.
oberhaus
Posts: 868
Oct 8, 2013 12:51pm
Gotcha. I guess I think more of BMW, Audi and MB as luxury. Don't get me wrong, VWs are extremely good vehicles. A Forester would compare more to the Tiguan. The Outback would probably be a better comparison to the Toureg.LJ;1514970 wrote:The top end ones, yes.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Oct 8, 2013 12:57pm
with all the luxury brands being owned by someone else at this point, they have almost made it to where the top end vehicles of the parent company are just as nice as the lower end luxury vehicles.oberhaus;1514972 wrote:Gotcha. I guess I think more of BMW, Audi and MB as luxury. Don't get me wrong, VWs are extremely good vehicles. A Forester would compare more to the Tiguan. The Outback would probably be a better comparison to the Toureg.
A top end Avalon isn't going to differ much from a Lexus ES350, the Touareg from the Audi Q7, a loaded Tahoe from an Escalade.
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MontyBrunswick
Oct 8, 2013 1:13pm
I hate stupid statistics like this.oberhaus;1514960 wrote:We are the only manufacturer with record sales growth the past 5 years straight AND weve had sales increase each month for 23 straight months.
You mean people weren't buying cars five years ago and have increasingly been buying since? It's almost like there was an economic event that happened in 2008 causing a crash in the sale of cars.
Shocking that you've been selling more cars since then.
Give me a break.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Oct 8, 2013 1:26pm
Subaru - record growth in the past 5 years compared to other manufacturers. Also, an increasing number of Subarus sold per month 23 months straight.
I fail to see the issue with that statement?
I fail to see the issue with that statement?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 8, 2013 1:33pm
dlazz gonna dlazz.Automatik;1514994 wrote:Subaru - record growth in the past 5 years compared to other manufacturers. Also, an increasing number of Subarus sold per month 23 months straight.
I fail to see the issue with that statement?
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MontyBrunswick
Oct 8, 2013 1:46pm
It's a spineless statement.Automatik;1514994 wrote:Subaru - record growth in the past 5 years compared to other manufacturers. Also, an increasing number of Subarus sold per month 23 months straight.
I fail to see the issue with that statement?
Kind of like when a "blockbuster movie" comes out and it's the highest grossing movie of all time. Of course it is, it should be...movie tickets are more expensive and there's more disposable income now than before...not to mention an increasing amount of people alive today.
Same story here. Subaru had record growth the past five years...well, if they had a sales plunge in 2008 and 2009, any rebound effect is going to count as record sales GROWTH since the year prior was a bad year.
The 23-months straight comment is also spineless. Chrysler has had 42 months straight of year-over-year sales gains. It's nothing to hang their hat on, it's just proof that people are buying more and more cars than they were four years ago.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Oct 8, 2013 2:00pm
Or how about doubling your market share from .25% to .5%dlazz;1515011 wrote:It's a spineless statement.
Kind of like when a "blockbuster movie" comes out and it's the highest grossing movie of all time. Of course it is, it should be...movie tickets are more expensive and there's more disposable income now than before...not to mention an increasing amount of people alive today.
Same story here. Subaru had record growth the past five years...well, if they had a sales plunge in 2008 and 2009, any rebound effect is going to count as record sales GROWTH since the year prior was a bad year.
The 23-months straight comment is also spineless. Chrysler has had 42 months straight of year-over-year sales gains. It's nothing to hang their hat on, it's just proof that people are buying more and more cars than they were four years ago.
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MontyBrunswick
Oct 8, 2013 2:10pm
I had another paragraph typed out regarding their market share, but the spreadsheet I was going to source required registration and I figured someone would come in here and blast me for it.LJ;1515018 wrote:Or how about doubling your market share from .25% to .5%
http://wardsauto.com/keydata/historical/UsaSa28summary
Subraru's market share the past five years:
2008: 1.39
2009: 2.04
2010: 2.24
2011: 2.05
2012: 2.28
STD DEV: 0.35784
which looks like an increase (it is), but it's right on line with nearly every other foreign manufacturer:
Hyundai:
2008: 2.98
2009: 4.10
2010: 4.57
2011: 4.95
2012: 4.75
std dev: 0.78673
Honda:
2008: 10.59
2009:10.86
2010:10.45
2011:8.80
2012:9.62
std dev: 0.84471
Toyota:
2008:16.47
2009:16.73
2010:15.01
2011:12.65
2012:14.13
std dev: 1.69066
In closing, Justin: get a Delorean.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Oct 8, 2013 2:11pm
Makes sense. Would go well with my flux capacitor.dlazz;1515019 wrote:In closing, Justin: get a Delorean.
oberhaus
Posts: 868
Oct 8, 2013 2:33pm
I guess when I say record sales growth I mean that Subaru has sold more vehicles then it ever had for 5 straight years. Subaru is a very small manufacturer. So last year we sold more Subarus than ever before. Same was the case the year before. As was the year before that.
Subaru has been a niche market. It's growing more into the mainstream. That's the only point I was trying to make.
And I agree....DeLorean.
Subaru has been a niche market. It's growing more into the mainstream. That's the only point I was trying to make.
And I agree....DeLorean.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Oct 8, 2013 2:38pm
I've ridden in a DeLorean before. It was awesome.
Pick6
Posts: 14,946
Jan 18, 2014 1:16am
bought myself a new loaded Jetta last weekend. Not a TDI, though. Didn't see the point in spending an extra 5ish grand for a little better gas mileage and more expensive fuel.
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Jan 18, 2014 1:49am
Commander of Awesome;1514484 wrote:A good friend of mine is a car mechanic for BMW (had to go to college to get this degree, 2nd degree actually) and is a car nut. He owns a Subaru and loves it and swears by them.
My brother has a Forester and loves it. Greatest car he's ever owned.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 18, 2014 8:39pm
That thing is pretty ugly. Very plain.said_aouita;1568682 wrote:My brother has a Forester and loves it. Greatest car he's ever owned.
bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Jan 18, 2014 9:02pm
I get 47 mpg on the highway in my TDIPick6;1568680 wrote:bought myself a new loaded Jetta last weekend. Not a TDI, though. Didn't see the point in spending an extra 5ish grand for a little better gas mileage and more expensive fuel.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 18, 2014 10:47pm
My mom had a 2000 that was also nothing but problems. Every little think on it broke. CD player, windows, side mirror nozzle, the fricking cap on the stick shift came off etc...Automatik;1514273 wrote:The engines are bulletproof. If I were in the market for a car I may consider a TDI, but VWs are somewhat of a bitch to maintain.
My sister had an '04 Jetta and nothing but problems.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 18, 2014 10:48pm
They hold their value. 10 yr old suburu still gors for $15k. Their like apple, very loyal customer base.justincredible;1568868 wrote:That thing is pretty ugly. Very plain.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 18, 2014 11:44pm
I don't doubt it. But that thing is still ugly. Aesthetics do count for something. That said, there are plenty of nice looking Subaru models.Commander of Awesome;1568906 wrote:They hold their value. 10 yr old suburu still gors for $15k. Their like apple, very loyal customer base.
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Jan 19, 2014 12:36am
justincredible;1568911 wrote:I don't doubt it. But that thing is still ugly. Aesthetics do count for something. That said, there are plenty of nice looking Subaru models.
What are you talking about?
ts1227
Posts: 12,319
Jan 19, 2014 12:52am
I bought a Honda right before thanksgiving.
Hope this helps
Hope this helps
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Jan 19, 2014 3:09am
justincredible;1568868 wrote:That thing is pretty ugly. Very plain.
I suppose but cosmetics don't help performance. Personally I think just an upgrade in rims makes a huge difference.
Or get the sports xt (turbo) model Forester-
The '08 is the last year the Forester was built on the Impreza platform and it also used the same boxer engine.
A blast to drive. The Forester loves snow and handles like a dream.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 19, 2014 11:18am
That is also ugly.Commander of Awesome;1568921 wrote:
What are you talking about?
These are not:
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jan 19, 2014 11:26am
This is sweet but is just a bit more than I wanted to spend.
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ctd/4285423812.html
http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/ctd/4285423812.html