SportsAndLady;1492163 wrote:Choo hits what will turn out to be an irrelevant solo HR with no real substance.

Azubuike24;1491766 wrote:On a team who is "going all in" to try to win a title, he's not good enough. Not if Arroyo is also on the staff. They are long-term, over an entire season producers. Put the Reds up against STL, LAD or DET in a 7-game series and the opponent has the advantage in every head to head pitching match-up except for when Latos goes. And even against Kershaw, Wainwright and Scherzer, he's not as good.

It's that simple. People have disagreed and said "Leake and Arroyo are so consistent, innings-eaters, blah, blah, blah." It's meaningless when it's a one and done format. That's been my point all along. Not that I want Leake to get destroyed.

I kept harping on Leake before when everyone cited his "ERA" as why he was good, when EVERY peripheral stat showed he was the worst on the staff. WHIP, BAA, K/9, BB/9, WAR, etc...all had him equal or below everyone else, yet his ERA was low. He was LUCKY. Sure, he's been clutch, he's a bulldog who's learning how to get out of situations, but he was overachieving. Not sure how anyone can disagree...the numbers back it up.

thavoice;1492433 wrote:The arroyo's and Leake's of the world are important parts of a rotation throughout the long haul of a season. When it comes down to the postseason though you really do prefer power pitchers. Guys such as Cueto, Latos, Leake, and to an extent even a Bailey who can miss spots and still get guys out because of their velocity. When finesse guys like BA and ML are not hitting their spots they are screwed, but power pitchers can get away with more. That is why you usually usually see closers as power guys. Greg Maddux, my fav non power pitcher ever, didn't fare too well come the postseason. There are non power pitchers who have done well, no doubt, but as a whole I want a power guy in the postseason. BA's career is winding down and it has been a good one. He and ML are like the good ole reliable car you drive to work every day. They do their jobs, nothing fancy, and go on their way, but when you want to e noticed, and on a mission ya go with your hot rod, i.e. power pitcher

thavoice;1492433 wrote:The arroyo's and Leake's of the world are important parts of a rotation throughout the long haul of a season. When it comes down to the postseason though you really do prefer power pitchers. Guys such as Cueto, Latos, Leake, and to an extent even a Bailey who can miss spots and still get guys out because of their velocity. When finesse guys like BA and ML are not hitting their spots they are screwed, but power pitchers can get away with more. That is why you usually usually see closers as power guys. Greg Maddux, my fav non power pitcher ever, didn't fare too well come the postseason. There are non power pitchers who have done well, no doubt, but as a whole I want a power guy in the postseason. BA's career is winding down and it has been a good one. He and ML are like the good ole reliable car you drive to work every day. They do their jobs, nothing fancy, and go on their way, but when you want to e noticed, and on a mission ya go with your hot rod, i.e. power pitcher

mhs95_06;1492685 wrote:Also, guys like Leake and Arroyo rely on the opposing hitters trying for long balls to be the most effective, hitting more for themselves than the good of the team. When it comes to key regular season games, and especially in the playoffs, those hitters back off that mentality and make it much tougher for the finesse pitchers, but they can't make it that much tougher for the power pitchers.