
said_aouita
Posts: 8,532
Aug 14, 2013 10:48am
It's a state fair. Obviously the dumb asses didn't consider their may be Democrats in Missouri.

bases_loaded
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Aug 14, 2013 11:20am

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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Aug 14, 2013 12:01pm
*theresaid_aouita;1486778 wrote:It's a state fair. Obviously the dumb asses didn't consider their may be Democrats in Missouri.

TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Aug 14, 2013 12:03pm
So let me get this straight. Anyone can wear a mask of any other president or make dummy's of them to mock them EXCEPT President Obama? Got it.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Aug 14, 2013 2:00pm
The Insane Clown Posse is really pissed about this and wants to see justice for their brethren.

Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Aug 14, 2013 2:09pm
To be fair, there are differences between 1994 and 2013 as far as the pervasiveness of news coverage a lot due to the increase in accessibility to the internet and cable television, both of which greatly contribute to the 24 hour news cycle.bases_loaded;1486793 wrote:

bases_loaded
Posts: 6,912
Aug 14, 2013 2:26pm
So, to be fair, our country is full of butthurt pussies now.

Belly35
Posts: 9,716
Aug 14, 2013 2:28pm
Not my president ..... Hope this helps
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Aug 14, 2013 2:30pm
I think the issue was probably more because rather than "lol Obama is stupid" or something like that it was more of a "gee wouldn't it be great if he died?".

Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Aug 14, 2013 2:33pm
I can't help but laugh at this for unintended reasons.bases_loaded;1486949 wrote:So, to be fair, our country is full of butthurt pussies now.

Me?
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Aug 14, 2013 2:52pm


Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Aug 14, 2013 6:28pm
LOL.
It's the same NAACP that wouldn't defend a black beating victim and called him an Uncle Tom.
These black "leaders" don't want racism to go way, it's too much of a political/personal pawn.
It's the same NAACP that wouldn't defend a black beating victim and called him an Uncle Tom.
These black "leaders" don't want racism to go way, it's too much of a political/personal pawn.

believer
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Aug 14, 2013 6:48pm


TedSheckler
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Aug 15, 2013 3:06pm

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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Aug 15, 2013 3:18pm
Seems pretty simple to me:
1) The clown should have been relieved of his duties, it is a state-funded expedition and people didn't sign up for political moments - satirization or not. Bad judgment.
2) The response is more idiotic. It makes the Obama supporters seem like thin-skinned nitwits. The idea that he should have a lifetime ban, or go through sensitivity training or that the DOJ should be involved is Orwellian. Political satire is one of the most precious of our 1st Amendment rights. Some might find it distasteful, but there hasn't been a POTUS that hasn't seen distasteful criticism. The politicians that were outraged about this are more clownish than the actual clown.
1) The clown should have been relieved of his duties, it is a state-funded expedition and people didn't sign up for political moments - satirization or not. Bad judgment.
2) The response is more idiotic. It makes the Obama supporters seem like thin-skinned nitwits. The idea that he should have a lifetime ban, or go through sensitivity training or that the DOJ should be involved is Orwellian. Political satire is one of the most precious of our 1st Amendment rights. Some might find it distasteful, but there hasn't been a POTUS that hasn't seen distasteful criticism. The politicians that were outraged about this are more clownish than the actual clown.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Aug 15, 2013 3:24pm
"To be fair, there are differences between 1994 and 2013 as far as the pervasiveness of news coverage a lot due to the increase in accessibility to the internet and cable television, both of which greatly contribute to the 24 hour news cycle."
And to be fair, George W. Bush was continuously vilified in the previous administration which by that time was a 24 hour news cycle. Eddie Vedder (from Pearl Jam of former fame) lampooning him on stage, there was a film dedicated to W's assassination, and perhaps the tv show Game of Thrones putting W's head on a spike (I'm not sure about that one, I've read differing opinions).
The point is (and not to take this to the politics forum so I won't mention any more names), a POTUS is a public figure and there is no reason why a POTUS figure gets special privilege for any or no reason.
South Park got it right, also during the 24 hour news cycle. The people upset about this are complete idiots. Just kick the guy out of the fair for putting on a show that wasn't public friendly. It doesn't make him a criminal, or even civilly liable for anything.
And to be fair, George W. Bush was continuously vilified in the previous administration which by that time was a 24 hour news cycle. Eddie Vedder (from Pearl Jam of former fame) lampooning him on stage, there was a film dedicated to W's assassination, and perhaps the tv show Game of Thrones putting W's head on a spike (I'm not sure about that one, I've read differing opinions).
The point is (and not to take this to the politics forum so I won't mention any more names), a POTUS is a public figure and there is no reason why a POTUS figure gets special privilege for any or no reason.
South Park got it right, also during the 24 hour news cycle. The people upset about this are complete idiots. Just kick the guy out of the fair for putting on a show that wasn't public friendly. It doesn't make him a criminal, or even civilly liable for anything.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Aug 15, 2013 3:25pm
Doesn't apply with respect to employment. I can't go into my boss' office and tell him he's an a-hole and expect the First Amendment to save me from being fired. In the private or public sector.ccrunner609;1487517 wrote:First amendment.

Rotinaj
Posts: 7,699
Aug 15, 2013 3:32pm
CC won't understand this. He's somewhat of a derp.Manhattan Buckeye;1487522 wrote:Doesn't apply with respect to employment. I can't go into my boss' office and tell him he's an a-hole and expect the First Amendment to save me from being fired. In the private or public sector.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Aug 15, 2013 3:39pm
I actually don't have issue with the clown (without knowing the whole routine). As people said, caricature masks are common/popular. The guy who stepped over the line was the PA announcer "don't y'all want him to get trampled?" And the clown might have had nothing to do with whatever ad libs the PA guy decided to come up with.

TedSheckler
Posts: 3,974
Aug 15, 2013 3:52pm
Manhattan Buckeye;1487522 wrote:Doesn't apply with respect to employment. I can't go into my boss' office and tell him he's an a-hole and expect the First Amendment to save me from being fired. In the private or public sector.
Wrong. The First Amendment gives you the right to go into your boss' office and say whatever you want. The First Amendment doesn't protect you from consequences of what you say.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Aug 15, 2013 3:57pm
This. If his employers want to make him do sort of training then whatever. But I'm not going to pretend the guy is a criminal or an asshole or anything. He did something that was pretty dumb. Shut up about it already.Manhattan Buckeye;1487521 wrote:"To be fair, there are differences between 1994 and 2013 as far as the pervasiveness of news coverage a lot due to the increase in accessibility to the internet and cable television, both of which greatly contribute to the 24 hour news cycle."
And to be fair, George W. Bush was continuously vilified in the previous administration which by that time was a 24 hour news cycle. Eddie Vedder (from Pearl Jam of former fame) lampooning him on stage, there was a film dedicated to W's assassination, and perhaps the tv show Game of Thrones putting W's head on a spike (I'm not sure about that one, I've read differing opinions).
The point is (and not to take this to the politics forum so I won't mention any more names), a POTUS is a public figure and there is no reason why a POTUS figure gets special privilege for any or no reason.
South Park got it right, also during the 24 hour news cycle. The people upset about this are complete idiots. Just kick the guy out of the fair for putting on a show that wasn't public friendly. It doesn't make him a criminal, or even civilly liable for anything.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Aug 15, 2013 3:59pm
Well, sort of. Unless it is a prior restraint it doesn't really matter, people can just mouth off for any or no reason. But the First Amendment does protect against certain consequences by state actors. If I walk into a shopping mall and scream out "my boss is a jerk", the First Amendment doesn't protect me from consequences with respect to my employment, if I go to an anti-politician rally the First Amendment typically protects me from any state action with respect to that speech unless it violates certain parameters (inciting violence, direct threat, etc. etc.).