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Aug 10, 2013 3:26 PM
Note: Obviously, painkillers can kill you when taking too much of them in one dose. However, unlike alcohol, withdrawing from them will not end your life. So, as long as taken responsibly, painkillers are relatively safe, but certainly prone to causing addiction, as with any mind-altering substance.
Aug 10, 2013 3:26pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 10, 2013 3:44 PM
People have been killed by alcohol withdrawal? That is news to me. South Park had it right - just drink less. If you need rehab do rehab. Opioids are physical...look at Layne Staley - the lead singer from Alice in Chains. Heroin is a nasty, nasty drug, and the addiction is clinically proven.
Aug 10, 2013 3:44pm
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Aug 10, 2013 4:02 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1485022 wrote:People have been killed by alcohol withdrawal? That is news to me. South Park had it right - just drink less. If you need rehab do rehab. Opioids are physical...look at Layne Staley - the lead singer from Alice in Chains. Heroin is a nasty, nasty drug, and the addiction is clinically proven.
Alcohol withdrawal can lead to severe autonomic problems that can result in heart attacks, strokes and cardiovascular collapse, in addition to fatal seizures.

As long as you do not overdose on heroin and kill yourself, when coming off it, while the pain and other physical and psychological ramifications can be horrendous, it is not a deadly situation.

From Wikipedia: "When police kicked in the door to Layne Staley's University District apartment on April 19, there, on a couch, lit by a flickering TV, next to several spray-paint cans on the floor, not far from a small stash of cocaine, near two crack pipes on the coffee table, reposed the remains of the rock musician." The article also stated that the 6'1" Staley weighed just 86 pounds when his body was discovered."

So, Staley definitely died of an overdose. But I agree with you, addiction to opiates can be very serious. But so is addiction to alcohol. That's kind of where I stand. If one is legal for a person to consume, then I think so should the other. We obviously disagree with this, but it is my contention that most people would be responsible enough to know not to get involved with heroin, even if it were legal, leaving the only real users the people who were going to use it illegally anyway. But maybe that logic is incorrect.
Aug 10, 2013 4:02pm
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Aug 10, 2013 4:03 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1484931 wrote:"I didn't say gay couples shouldn't adopt, I said all else equal I think a traditional couple is more optimal."

Not only do I agree with this, but common law agrees with it as well in the best interests of the children. I don't know why people are so stuck on stupid about adoption, but the reality is that adoption is difficult, expensive and there are thousands of wealthy man/woman households willing to adopt. The idea that we have thousands of kids living in orphanages is a myth from ****ensian novels.
But millions in fostercare, same difference...as far as gay couples..In my experience they appreciate having the chance to have kids that they actually are better parents. With the amount of homes increasing with both parents working it seems most couples don't even see their kids or end up divorced anyway...all things being equal I think u gotta,look at it on an individual basis
Aug 10, 2013 4:03pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 10, 2013 4:09 PM
There aren't millions in foster care. Not even close. Why would you say that, or even get that type of statistic?
Aug 10, 2013 4:09pm
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Tiernan

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Aug 10, 2013 4:31 PM
What the hell does "optimal" Manhattan? Great parents come in all combos, colors and sexes. Are you even a parent yourself?
Aug 10, 2013 4:31pm
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Aug 10, 2013 4:35 PM
Sorry 400,000...my point is unchanged

Per WWW.childrensrights.org...650,000 kids spent some time out of the home last year and on any given day 400000 in foster care
Aug 10, 2013 4:35pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 10, 2013 4:48 PM
You realize that many of those kids are in foster care with relatives/friends of the family, right? It is still foster care, and that has even more restrictions - i.e. it hast to stay within the state.

My point is unchanged as well. Adoption is incredibly difficult and expensive, and for the most part is an American issue - the concept doesn't exist in many other cultures.
Aug 10, 2013 4:48pm
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Aug 10, 2013 4:59 PM
Adoption of babies maybe...my parents adopted 4 kids and it was free...in fact the state gave them free medical and a stipend for two years
Aug 10, 2013 4:59pm
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Aug 10, 2013 5:02 PM
Now that I think about it my brother Antonio was less than a year old and that was free...so maybe its just white babies that are expensive
Aug 10, 2013 5:02pm
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MontyBrunswick

Aug 10, 2013 5:04 PM
reclegend22;1485016 wrote:While painkillers can certainly lead to debilitating addictions, they are actually among the safest drugs known to man.
That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read.
Aug 10, 2013 5:04pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 10, 2013 5:21 PM
Gblock;1485048 wrote:Now that I think about it my brother Antonio was less than a year old and that was free...so maybe its just white babies that are expensive
No, all babies are expensive. Typically it is a white-Hispanic or black-Hispanic or in some cases a Black - White mix....like the QB for the Niners, but even that is rare.
Aug 10, 2013 5:21pm
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Aug 10, 2013 5:24 PM
Hmmm guess they git lucky then
Aug 10, 2013 5:24pm
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Aug 10, 2013 5:25 PM
dlazz;1485051 wrote:That's the stupidest ****ing thing I've ever read.
Compared to alcohol, opiates are actually much safer and healthier for your body and will cause absolutely no neurotoxicity from use, which is the direct opposite of what will happen to your brain after prolonged alcohol abuse. Any negative effects from opiates are typically of the indirect variety -- bad injection technique, change of lifestyle, impurities from street purchase, etc. Opiates, when taken in their pure form without acetaminophen or ibuprofen -- such as pure codeine or morphine or hydrocodone -- also do not have any impact on your liver whatsoever, unlike alcohol which will shut it down forever and kill you after years of abusing it.

So, yes, when taken responsibly, the naturally-derived opiate is one of the safest drugs on earth. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Aug 10, 2013 5:25pm
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Aug 10, 2013 5:26 PM
dlazz;1485051 wrote:That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read.
Kidneys are overrated.
Aug 10, 2013 5:26pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 10, 2013 5:31 PM
reclegend22;1485059 wrote:Compared to alcohol, opiates are actually much safer and healthier for your body and will cause absolutely no neurotoxicity from use, which is the direct opposite of what will happen to your brain after prolonged alcohol abuse. Any negative effects from opiates are typically of the indirect variety -- bad injection technique, change of lifestyle, impurities from street purchase, etc. Opiates, when taken in their pure form without acetaminophen or ibuprofen -- such as pure codeine or morphine or hydrocodone -- also do not have any impact on your liver whatsoever, unlike alcohol which will shut it down forever and kill you after years of abusing it.

So, yes, when taken responsibly, the naturally-derived opiate is one of the safest drugs on earth. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Well, this is an unpopular opinion, most likely because it is completely wrong.
Aug 10, 2013 5:31pm
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Aug 10, 2013 5:32 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1485063 wrote:Well, this is an unpopular opinion, most likely because it is completely wrong.
How is it wrong? Everything in that post is accurate.
Aug 10, 2013 5:32pm
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Aug 10, 2013 5:36 PM
It is a fact that alcohol causes nuerotoxicity. It is also a fact that opiates do not. It is a fact that alcohol withdrawal can kill you in a variety of ways, which I identified in an earlier post. It is also a fact that simply withdrawing from opiates is not in itself deadly. It is a fact that alcohol can cause fatal liver disease. It is also a fact that pure opiates -- i.e. opiates not combined with the nasty acetaminophen -- do not cause any harm to the liver.

Those are facts.
Aug 10, 2013 5:36pm
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Aug 10, 2013 5:52 PM
I know someone personally who died from alchahol withdrawal...and also didn't Amy winehouse die from going from a fifth if vodka a day and quitting cold turkey?
Aug 10, 2013 5:52pm
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Aug 10, 2013 6:06 PM
Gblock;1485070 wrote:I know someone personally who died from alchahol withdrawal...and also didn't Amy winehouse die from going from a fifth if vodka a day and quitting cold turkey?
I believe you are correct, but, unfortunately, you will not get an answer from anybody else here because they all left once facts were brought into the argument.
Aug 10, 2013 6:06pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 10, 2013 6:32 PM
Gblock;1485070 wrote:I know someone personally who died from alchahol withdrawal...and also didn't Amy winehouse die from going from a fifth if vodka a day and quitting cold turkey?
no.


-edit, Amy Winehouse died because she went from downing a fifth a day, to 3 fifths a day, along with a cocktail of other drugs.
Aug 10, 2013 6:32pm
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Aug 10, 2013 6:46 PM
Yes I see she died after resuming drinking after a period of abstinence
Aug 10, 2013 6:46pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 10, 2013 6:55 PM
She didn't just resume drinking, she downed 3 bottles of vodka. At her weight-level her BAC must have been through the roof. I'm a normal weight guy, and with my Irish-German heritage I can handle a lot of alcohol, but even I would have trouble downing a fifth in a 24 hour period...the last time I did that was probably 7 years ago at the Cotton Bowl. I can't imagine downing three bottles in a span of a few hours.
Aug 10, 2013 6:55pm
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Aug 10, 2013 7:13 PM
reclegend22;1485071 wrote:I believe you are correct, but, unfortunately, you will not get an answer from anybody else here because they all left once facts were brought into the argument.
So why are you still here?

What the hell is alcohol withdrawal?
Aug 10, 2013 7:13pm
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MontyBrunswick

Aug 10, 2013 7:24 PM
reclegend22;1485059 wrote:Compared to alcohol, opiates are actually much safer and healthier for your body and will cause absolutely no neurotoxicity from use, which is the direct opposite of what will happen to your brain after prolonged alcohol abuse. Any negative effects from opiates are typically of the indirect variety -- bad injection technique, change of lifestyle, impurities from street purchase, etc. Opiates, when taken in their pure form without acetaminophen or ibuprofen -- such as pure codeine or morphine or hydrocodone -- also do not have any impact on your liver whatsoever, unlike alcohol which will shut it down forever and kill you after years of abusing it.

So, yes, when taken responsibly, the naturally-derived opiate is one of the safest drugs on earth. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Aug 10, 2013 7:24pm