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Aug 8, 2013 10:50 PM
Fly4Fun;1484304 wrote:I've never disliked the smell of fresh bread, even from subway. Difference in opinion I guess.
You definitely do not smell good after going to Subway.
Aug 8, 2013 10:50pm
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Aug 9, 2013 2:10 PM
Oh, and by the way, the $2,000 the NCAA was thinking about instituting has been put on hold for quite a while now. There's been opposition and people want to modify the ruling.
Aug 9, 2013 2:10pm
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Aug 9, 2013 2:28 PM
thavoice;1483898 wrote:SOCIALLY: I thought I was in the majority, and a few yaers ago it was, but marriage should only be between a man, and a woman.
Outside of religion what is the reasoning for your opinion?
Aug 9, 2013 2:28pm
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Aug 9, 2013 2:32 PM
I Wear Pants;1484688 wrote:Outside of religion what is the reasoning for your opinion?
One can be tax-exempt status (which I guess is sort of religious). 10 years from now my bet is that churches that refuse to recognize or perform same-sex weddings will no longer be tax-exempt. We've already seen businesses (eHarmony, the flower shop in Washington state?) that had to capitulate to dealing with services they don't wish to perform to continue their business.

That and adoption issues, although I think that is much further down the line.
Aug 9, 2013 2:32pm
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Aug 9, 2013 2:35 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1484693 wrote:One can be tax-exempt status (which I guess is sort of religious). 10 years from now my bet is that churches that refuse to recognize or perform same-sex weddings will no longer be tax-exempt. We've already seen businesses (eHarmony, the flower shop in Washington state?) that had to capitulate to dealing with services they don't wish to perform to continue their business.

That and adoption issues, although I think that is much further down the line.
What adoption issues?

And are you also against laws that make it so you can't discriminate against people based on race or gender or nationality? If not why are you okay with it for gays?
Aug 9, 2013 2:35pm
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Aug 9, 2013 2:38 PM
As of now there aren't any adoption issues, because you can discriminate. You can't force a woman to give up her child to a couple for any reason, including racial or orientation reasons.

That's why I said it is further down the line.
Aug 9, 2013 2:38pm
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Aug 9, 2013 2:44 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1484701 wrote:As of now there aren't any adoption issues, because you can discriminate. You can't force a woman to give up her child to a couple for any reason, including racial or orientation reasons.

That's why I said it is further down the line.
So your concern isn't to ban gays from adopting but to make it so that if Jane is putting her kid up for adoption she can have a say as to who he/she goes to?
Aug 9, 2013 2:44pm
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Aug 9, 2013 2:51 PM
My concern is that religious organizations, even acting in a non-religious way with respect to adoption will be frustrated. We're already seeing how certain laws and regulations are affecting Catholic hospitals (and I'm not Catholic).

As to you question, I have no idea. No part of it made sense.
Aug 9, 2013 2:51pm
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Aug 9, 2013 2:54 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;1484716 wrote:My concern is that religious organizations, even acting in a non-religious way with respect to adoption will be frustrated. We're already seeing how certain laws and regulations are affecting Catholic hospitals (and I'm not Catholic).

As to you question, I have no idea. No part of it made sense.
I was asking if you want it to be illegal for gay people to adopt.

How are they affecting Catholic hospitals? (Genuine question I haven't paid attention).
Aug 9, 2013 2:54pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:03 PM
I Wear Pants;1484718 wrote:I was asking if you want it to be illegal for gay people to adopt.
I'm actually not sure how I feel about that.
Aug 9, 2013 3:03pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:05 PM
WebFire;1484722 wrote:I'm actually not sure how I feel about that.
Why should it be illegal?
Aug 9, 2013 3:05pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:06 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about forcing churches to perform gay marriages
Aug 9, 2013 3:06pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:08 PM
LJ;1484727 wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about forcing churches to perform gay marriages
They shouldn't be.
Aug 9, 2013 3:08pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:18 PM
I Wear Pants;1484728 wrote:They shouldn't be.
Correct.
Aug 9, 2013 3:18pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:20 PM
I Wear Pants;1484725 wrote:Why should it be illegal?
I kind of feel that if you can't reproduce the way nature intended (not due to health issues, but man and woman), you shouldn't be able to "cheat" and adopt. I guess that is my unpopular opinion.
Aug 9, 2013 3:20pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:25 PM
WebFire;1484735 wrote:I kind of feel that if you can't reproduce the way nature intended (not due to health issues, but man and woman), you shouldn't be able to "cheat" and adopt. I guess that is my unpopular opinion.
Who is it "cheating"?
Aug 9, 2013 3:25pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:28 PM
WebFire;1484722 wrote:I'm actually not sure how I feel about that.
WebFire;1484735 wrote:I kind of feel that if you can't reproduce the way nature intended (not due to health issues, but man and woman), you shouldn't be able to "cheat" and adopt. I guess that is my unpopular opinion.

I think you're pretty sure how you feel.
Aug 9, 2013 3:28pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:36 PM
LJ;1484727 wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about forcing churches to perform gay marriages
Churches are all about the all mighty dollar, trust me they want the money from gay marriages.

Also how do you feel about churches being forced to marry African Americans or other minorities? No difference IMO.
Aug 9, 2013 3:36pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:39 PM
Commander of Awesome;1484744 wrote:Churches are all about the all mighty dollar, trust me they want the money from gay marriages.
Some do, some don't. And that should be okay.

It's stupid to not do them. But it's okay. I don't need to get married in that sort of church and I don't know why someone would want to get married somewhere that is only doing it because they have to. But whatever. I'm less concerned about churches/religious marriage and more concerned about the legal establishment of marriage.
Aug 9, 2013 3:39pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:44 PM
I Wear Pants;1484746 wrote:Some do, some don't. And that should be okay.

It's stupid to not do them. But it's okay. I don't need to get married in that sort of church and I don't know why someone would want to get married somewhere that is only doing it because they have to. But whatever. I'm less concerned about churches/religious marriage and more concerned about the legal establishment of marriage.
Same arguement could be made for civil rights. Not sure why "minority" wants to eat at a place that doesn't want them there etc... Slippery slope and further proves what a joke organized religion is. They're supposed to be compassionate, understanding and accepting. Yet continually they're the least in every category.
Aug 9, 2013 3:44pm
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Aug 9, 2013 3:44 PM
I Wear Pants;1484718 wrote:I was asking if you want it to be illegal for gay people to adopt.
I don't know of the dynamics of supply and demand, but I DO believe a traditional couple should be given priority over a gay couple. But otherwise I would never deny a child a chance at a good home.
Aug 9, 2013 3:44pm
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Aug 9, 2013 4:05 PM
Commander of Awesome;1484744 wrote:Churches are all about the all mighty dollar, trust me they want the money from gay marriages.

Also how do you feel about churches being forced to marry African Americans or other minorities? No difference IMO.
Wasnt aware churches are forced to marry minorities. Being a different race doesnt exclude you from being in any type of religion (to my knowledge).
Aug 9, 2013 4:05pm
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Aug 9, 2013 4:05 PM
gut;1484750 wrote:I don't know of the dynamics of supply and demand, but I DO believe a traditional couple should be given priority over a gay couple. But otherwise I would never deny a child a chance at a good home.
Why? The overwhelming consensus is that same-sex couples make just as good of parents. Focus should be put on finding good homes for kids regardless of what sex the parents are.
Aug 9, 2013 4:05pm
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Aug 9, 2013 4:07 PM
Commander of Awesome;1484749 wrote:Same arguement could be made for civil rights. Not sure why "minority" wants to eat at a place that doesn't want them there etc... Slippery slope and further proves what a joke organized religion is. They're supposed to be compassionate, understanding and accepting. Yet continually they're the least in every category.
Fair enough. I'm just saying that if I was religious I wouldn't be getting married in a Catholic church because of it.
Aug 9, 2013 4:07pm
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Aug 9, 2013 4:15 PM
I Wear Pants;1484761 wrote:Why? The overwhelming consensus is that same-sex couples make just as good of parents. Focus should be put on finding good homes for kids regardless of what sex the parents are.
1) By "overwhelming consensus" I assume you mean liberals. I'm not sure we have enough history and data to reach that conclusion.

2) I believe a strong mother and father figure is superior. I believe there's value to growing up in a household with both. That's not saying same-sex couples aren't good enough or that kids can't have good outcomes. If we want to talk about diversity (which we seem to place a lot of value on), the traditional couple is inherently more diverse in many regards. I think it's a more optimal situation, all else equal.
Aug 9, 2013 4:15pm