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Con_Alma
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Aug 4, 2013 6:12pm
IN addition, when he throws that many pitches it accelerates the rate that the Tigers get to the bull-pen.....which has not exactly been the strength of the team this year.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 4, 2013 6:18pm
ubaldo is just getting a few extra days. He's thrown a lot of pitches the last few outings so he's just getting a bit of a blow which he is due for.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Aug 4, 2013 6:21pm
Not that he probably doesn't need it but the decision is a little more than giving him a needed rest. He's hurting the team right now.HitsRus;1482375 wrote:ubaldo is just getting a few extra days. He's thrown a lot of pitches the last few outings so he's just getting a bit of a blow which he is due for.
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vball10set
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Aug 4, 2013 6:23pm
Con_Alma;1482332 wrote:2 out of 3 is only OK if the Tigers lose.
TBone14;1482334 wrote:2 of 3 on the road vs anybody is always good...no matter what. We can't control what they do...we just need to win series. Hell...I would jump up and down for .500 on the road the rest of the way. Tribe haven't been a good road. Winning this series was good.
vball10set;1482335 wrote:Give me a break...as Tbone said, 2 out of 3 on the road is OK anytime!!!
no shit, I said I agreed with Tbone, so why the "???"?Con_Alma;1482363 wrote: ??? T-bone and I disagree.
It's not OK "anytime". They lost a game in the standing on this short trip.
Its the same as getting beat by the Tigers head up. There's no difference.
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Con_Alma
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Aug 4, 2013 6:30pm
The question marks indicate my lack of understanding in your statement of certainty that 2 of 3 is good.vball10set;1482377 wrote:no ****, I said I agreed with Tbone, so why the "???"?
It's not good if the Tigers win like they did....unless of course you're OK with not making the playoffs then...I guess it is "good".
Do you consider dropping another game back as "good"...whether they are on the road or not.
TBone14
Posts: 6,383
Aug 4, 2013 7:04pm
Con_Alma;1482380 wrote:The question marks indicate my lack of understanding in your statement of certainty that 2 of 3 is good.
It's not good if the Tigers win like they did....unless of course you're OK with not making the playoffs then...I guess it is "good".
Do you consider dropping another game back as "good"...whether they are on the road or not.
I seriously question if you understand Major League Baseball. Your logic and expectations are way off. This isn't some video game where you can go 140-22.
Using your logic...had the Tigers lost 2 of 3 and the Indians lost 2 of 3...it wouldn't have been bad.
The Indians can only control the games they play in. So when they start a 3 game road series, given that to this point they have been a poor road team, 2 of 3 is a good goal. Expecting a sweep is unrealistic. It doesn't matter what the Tigers do, the Indians did what they had to do. They just need to keep grinding out series wins.
The upcoming road trip to Oakland and LA? I would be fine with 3-3 in those games.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Aug 4, 2013 7:07pm
Seriously??? The start before he gave you eight innings of two-hit ball.... And last start he was victimized by two errors by Druby.Con_Alma;1482376 wrote:Not that he probably doesn't need it but the decision is a little more than giving him a needed rest. He's hurting the team right now.
BRF
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Aug 4, 2013 7:08pm
2 out of 3 is good anytime.
.667
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BTW: .667 = a full season record of 108 - 54
The More You Know!
.667
Edit:
BTW: .667 = a full season record of 108 - 54
The More You Know!
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Aug 4, 2013 7:19pm
It's not about 2 out of 3. It's about going another game back of the Tigers.BRF;1482388 wrote:2 out of 3 is good anytime.
.667
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BTW: .667 = a full season record of 108 - 54
The More You Know!
How much you win right now doesn't matter. How much you win compared to the Tigers does.
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Con_Alma
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Aug 4, 2013 7:20pm
Seriously. How he's been pitching is not ideal to face the Tigers. Apparently Francona agrees.HitsRus;1482387 wrote:Seriously??? The start before he gave you eight innings of two-hit ball.... And last start he was victimized by two errors by Druby.
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Con_Alma
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Aug 4, 2013 7:22pm
That's not my logic at all.TBone14;1482386 wrote:I seriously question if you understand Major League Baseball. Your logic and expectations are way off. This isn't some video game where you can go 140-22.
Using your logic...had the Tigers lost 2 of 3 and the Indians lost 2 of 3...it wouldn't have been bad.
The Indians can only control the games they play in. So when they start a 3 game road series, given that to this point they have been a poor road team, 2 of 3 is a good goal. Expecting a sweep is unrealistic. It doesn't matter what the Tigers do, the Indians did what they had to do. They just need to keep grinding out series wins.
The upcoming road trip to Oakland and LA? I would be fine with 3-3 in those games.
My logic is what's your record versus the team ahead of you. It's not more complicated than that.
I agree they can only control the gamrs they play in. That would be enough if they were in first. .... They aren't. They are dependent on the play of Tigers....unless the INdians work their way into first.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
Aug 4, 2013 7:25pm
I understand.Con_Alma;1482389 wrote:It's not about 2 out of 3. It's about going another game back of the Tigers.
How much you win right now doesn't matter. How much you win compared to the Tigers does.
Do you think the Tigers will win 108 games?
Oh, wait, what a stupid question!!! Of course, they will win way more than that!
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vball10set
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Aug 4, 2013 7:26pm
Thank you.BRF;1482388 wrote:2 out of 3 is good anytime.
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Con_Alma
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Aug 4, 2013 7:27pm
I don't know nor do I care. What matters is will they win at least 3 less games than the Indians.BRF;1482393 wrote:I understand.
Do you think the Tigers will win 108 games?
Oh, wait, what a stupid question!!! Of course, they will win way more than that!
How many you win doesn't matter on it's own. How may you win compared to others in your division, does.
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Con_Alma
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Aug 4, 2013 7:28pm
2 out of 3 may be "good" but it may not be good enough.vball10set;1482394 wrote:Thank you.
wes_mantooth
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Aug 4, 2013 7:32pm
exactly. This is both comical and kinda sad....lolHitsRus;1482387 wrote:Seriously??? The start before he gave you eight innings of two-hit ball.... And last start he was victimized by two errors by Druby.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Aug 4, 2013 8:18pm
exactly, its good, but the tigers are winning 3 of 3 lately. so its not good enough. this isnt the beginning of the season when there is time to catch up anymore.Con_Alma;1482396 wrote:2 out of 3 may be "good" but it may not be good enough.
royal_k
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Aug 4, 2013 8:21pm
If they continue to win series, no matter where they are at, they will be right in it. They don't have to win the Central to make the playoffs. They are a wild card team right now.
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Con_Alma
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Aug 4, 2013 8:24pm
Earlier in the season I didn't think the widl card was going to be in play after looking at how weak the division appeared. Now I think the wild card is a curse considering the difficulty levied by the playoff setup.royal_k;1482416 wrote:If they continue to win series, no matter where they are at, they will be right in it. They don't have to win the Central to make the playoffs. They are a wild card team right now.
CLEconomically Speaking
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Aug 4, 2013 11:00pm
And if we win the division, you'd probably hate the matchup we'd get too..Con_Alma;1482419 wrote:Earlier in the season I didn't think the widl card was going to be in play after looking at how weak the division appeared. Now I think the wild card is a curse considering the difficulty levied by the playoff setup.