BoatShoes;1488829 wrote:Your head need not explode. This is what old school genuine keynesian/post-keynesian liberals (not paul samuelson-style neo-classical types) including myself have always stood for. I recognize that the hodge-podge welfare programs are better than if we had no automatic stabilizers besides soup kitchens as in the Great Depression but we can have much better automatic stabilizers in the form of Public Employment as a Last Resort. If you, a hardcore evangelical conservative can agree with me, what you call a far left wing liberal, on this issue...we does it have to be a pipe dream?

Because, unfortunately, none of the liberals in the current federal government would do it, and 99% of the conservatives wouldn't either.

BoatShoes;1488773 wrote:The percentage of African-Americans in poverty in 1960 was >55%. The percentage in 1968 was <27%. According to the latest census, 27.4% of african-americans are in poverty. So, the Great Society caused a dramatic improvement but we could've done much better (i.e. keeping the WPA instead of means-tested sustenance progams) but it certainly contributed to improving the lives of african americans if you think 27% poverty is > 55% poverty.

You are trying to measure the improving quality of life in terms of where one group has moved statistically on the economic rung. It is a contributing factor towards improving lives but hardly a measure. It goes to the old saying "money can't buy happiness". When you look at statistics of African Americans growing up in father absent homes one has to wonder how their lives are really being improved. When you see statistics like 2/3's in the black community one has say what is wrong. Granted they are increasing in other ethnic groups but none even close to that rate. Even black leaders are recognizing this problem.

My Dad got laid off a couple of times when we were growing up. We didn't have a lot of money. But my brothers and I were happy. Grandpa had a little mini farm just down the road. We had to pick peas, beans, strawberries, etc.. My brother and I used to head over to grandpa's chicken coop to get some fresh eggs for breakfast. Always hoping for the double yoke while getting our hands pecked by the angry hens. My grandparents grew up during the Great Depression and had far less than you or I. They grew up in abject poverty. But they had one thing. A solid family structure to carry them through it and they were happy. I remember my grandparents telling me how they never ate out until they were adults. At first I thought the horror. But then again all the family interaction that goes into preparing a meal.

In a different time there was an inner city life that provided different but similar family life experiences. Here it seems to me its deteriorating at an increasingly devastating rate. And has had a devastating affect on the black family who now populates these areas in large majorities. Back in the old days when crusty old white conservatives ruled the earth impoverished women had to worry about spreading their legs before a "fine young gent" who thought he needed a couple extra thrusts. But now its all good we are a compassionate people you know. So we got you when you are on your back. Requiring personal accountability is not absent compassion.

BoatShoes;1488773 wrote:Also, your assertion that black people don't believe in taking care of themselves is, of course, a derogatory and offensive view of an entire group of people. It's not hard to see why blacks don't vote in solidarity with people who think that about them. Hope this helps. :thumbup:

Getting something from government appeals to everyone regardless of the color of their skin. It appeals to me and you. It appeals to the rich businessman and poor folks alike. Perhaps we have created this destructive monster where people vote their personal self interest above that of the national interest.

BoatShoes;1488829 wrote: If you, a hardcore evangelical conservative can agree with me, what you call a far left wing liberal, on this issue...we does it have to be a pipe dream?

Its a pipe dream because you, me, and Jmog don't have to pine for votes and contributions to our campaign warchest. We can thump our chest on some obscure political message board. But lets be honest with ourselves here. Large segments of the population want to gain personally via the federal trough (not to mention state and local governments). Whether its the poor seeking free "handouts" absent reasonable labor in kind or the rich wanting tax law to be catered to their liking its the federal monster we have created. Feared by some of the founders. We can either try to leash this thing or let it tear us apart.

Belly35;1481132 wrote:WOW! Not one comment from the Black bros on the OC.

Come up with something that makes a small amount of sense and then I'll comment further. Oh mighty enlightner of the black community lol.

Hey! Black Community what to know what your favorite political Democrat party and Community Organizer what to do to you?

The want to train illegal youth ( mostly Hispanic) in the Immigration Bill at a tone of 1.5 billion dollars which should drive Black community unemployment to 35% in a heart beat. But let also think about this if Whites are so racist if give a choices between a Black or Hispanic to hire ..... you make the call bro..

Does your party really think about the Black community or just a the agenda to keep creating proverty and voter base entitlement communities.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/27/15b-for-youth-jobs-fund-critics-pan-pork-in-senate-immigration-bill/?test=latestnews

Belly35;1491851 wrote:Hey! Black Community what to know what your favorite political Democrat party and Community Organizer what to do to you?

The want to train illegal youth ( mostly Hispanic) in the Immigration Bill at a tone of 1.5 billion dollars which should drive Black community unemployment to 35% in a heart beat. But let also think about this if Whites are so racist if give a choices between a Black or Hispanic to hire ..... you make the call bro..

Does your party really think about the Black community or just a the agenda to keep creating proverty and voter base entitlement communities.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/27/15b-for-youth-jobs-fund-critics-pan-pork-in-senate-immigration-bill/?test=latestnews

Remember kids! If you get a dregree, you won't have to worry about proverty!

Liberal democrats have been warehousing blacks (at taxpayer expense) for decades in return for votes, at a 90% success rate no less. We see where that has gotten the black community. One of the greatest socio-economic disasters in world history.

Obama, Clinton, and Jimmy Carter spoke at the MLK thing today....not invited to speak...the only black US Senator. Tim Scott from SC...partisan politics at its best.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/n_YQ8560E1w?autoplay=1


:thumbup:

QuakerOats;1493563 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/embed/n_YQ8560E1w?autoplay=1


:thumbup:

My only complaint is that he pigeonholed himself by joining a political party. Be free, my good man! Other than that, very nice.

ps: Mr. Guillory; you are allowed to say "God".

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