Laley23;1480839 wrote:I'd say no normally, cause we aren't sellers. But Aviles can play for 2 months and Lindor will supplant Cabrera by this time next year anyway. We can get more for him since has 1.5 years left as opposed to a rent a player next season

Was kinda my thoughts but didn't know how most of you guys felt.

Ironman92;1480840 wrote:Was kinda my thoughts but didn't know how most of you guys felt.

Based on the threads, it seems like its about 50-50. Some don't want to trade him cause we are in contention, which makes sense. The other half is me...we arent losing enough with Aviles, IMO, to not trade for a top 3 pitcher (potential). And Lindor is the #5 ranked prospect in all of baseball. I know prospects can fail, but that highly regarded are usually serviceable at worst.

Laley23;1480843 wrote:Based on the threads, it seems like its about 50-50. Some don't want to trade him cause we are in contention, which makes sense. The other half is me...we arent losing enough with Aviles, IMO, to not trade for a top 3 pitcher (potential). And Lindor is the #5 ranked prospect in all of baseball. I know prospects can fail, but that highly regarded are usually serviceable at worst.

This. I honestly think asdrubal is over rated and is a lazy player.

Praise Jebus! Bud Norris to the Orioles. I'd seen his name in connection to the Pirates and had no idea why they'd want to give up any prospect of note for a starter who'd likely be about their 5th-6th-7th-8th best behind Liriano, Locke, Burnett, Cole and possibly Morton, Cumpton and a healthy Wandy.

At least that's no longer a fear!

Crimson streak;1480846 wrote:This. I honestly think asdrubal is over rated and is a lazy player.

Same here.

Glad they didn't make a deal with Cincy though....don't want any of those guys that were rumored. I was hoping for big prospects from st Louis

wes_mantooth;1480857 wrote:Same here.

Glad they didn't make a deal with Cincy though....don't want any of those guys that were rumored. I was hoping for big prospects from st Louis

Same here (regarding the Cards). Maybe this offseason...

Worst deadline ever...

Not a single deal that seems to have a huge postseason impact...maybe Peavy.

The biggest deal was Garza, and Texas isn't even going to make the playoffs. Peavy is probably the only other one.

The prices for hitters were clearly too high...

Azubuike24;1480865 wrote:Worst deadline ever...

Not a single deal that seems to have a huge postseason impact...maybe Peavy.

The biggest deal was Garza, and Texas isn't even going to make the playoffs. Peavy is probably the only other one.

The prices for hitters were clearly too high...

Maybe teams are starting to be a bit smarter with the trade deadline. They have seen how many teams have given away too much for a rent a player, or someone with a big contract. Possibly with the extra wild card spot there are less teams who are in full scale sale mode. One could say more WC teams could lead to more teams wanting guys, but it also means less teams willing to give away guys.

I wonder if it's just the opposite. Teams who aren't contending now, but don't want to give up guys they see as having good value. Even if they are veterans, most teams who may have sold (Seattle, Washington, San Francisco, Toronto, Los Angeles (AL), New York (NL), etc...) plan to contend next year after a disappointing 2013 and would have trouble replacing some of these guys.

The big surprises, IMO, were both Philadelphia and Chicago (AL). Neither of these teams are going anywhere and had plenty of big salary veterans that drew interest with such a tight market. While they weren't going to be able to strangle teams for a ton of value, I'm surprised more guys didn't move from these 2 especially.

Azubuike24;1480979 wrote:I wonder if it's just the opposite. Teams who aren't contending now, but don't want to give up guys they see as having good value. Even if they are veterans, most teams who may have sold (Seattle, Washington, San Francisco, Toronto, Los Angeles (AL), New York (NL), etc...) plan to contend next year after a disappointing 2013 and would have trouble replacing some of these guys.

The big surprises, IMO, were both Philadelphia and Chicago (AL). Neither of these teams are going anywhere and had plenty of big salary veterans that drew interest with such a tight market. While they weren't going to be able to strangle teams for a ton of value, I'm surprised more guys didn't move from these 2 especially.

As a Pirates fan, I was following on MLBTradeRumors about possible trades with the White Sox for definitely Rios and possibly Alexei Ramirez and they just seemed to be asking for too much considering things like their current production and how big their contracts are.

I think it's a combination of what you and thavoice are saying, depending on the team. Some teams didn't sell because of the perception of giving up and others didn't because they figured with the light market, teams would overpay and no one took the leap on a lot of those guys. I mean, the Pirates could definitely use more right field production, but there's only so much you want to pay for a 32-year-old making $12.5M, holding a .273 average with 12 HRs and 49 RBIs and raising questions about his attitude. The only thing I found appealing about him was with his speed, that'd make the team even more dangerous on the basepaths, but no way in hell I'd be giving up that much for that.

Move deadline to Aug 15th

Laley23;1480839 wrote:I'd say no normally, cause we aren't sellers. But Aviles can play for 2 months and Lindor will supplant Cabrera by this time next year anyway. We can get more for him since has 1.5 years left as opposed to a rent a player next season

I wouldnt get rid of cabrera until lindor has spent time in the MLB. what happens when if he bombs? let him get some playing time at 3rd(he cant be worse than chisenhall) next to cabrera or something and see some MLB pitchers. let him develop and bring him up for good late next year.

You are overvaluing Cabrera. Do you understand how god awful he has been? Don't mention Chiz, cause he has been better than Asdrubal for the last 2 months lol

Laley23;1481069 wrote:You are overvaluing Cabrera. Do you understand how god awful he has been? Don't mention Chiz, cause he has been better than Asdrubal for the last 2 months lol

I agree completely....he has been awful the entire year. With that being said, you know god damn well...as soon as we move him, he is going to hit .300 and get a gold glove for someone else...lmao. That is the way it always goes.

Glory Days;1481062 wrote:I wouldnt get rid of cabrera until lindor has spent time in the MLB. what happens when if he bombs? let him get some playing time at 3rd(he cant be worse than chisenhall) next to cabrera or something and see some MLB pitchers. let him develop and bring him up for good late next year.

You move Cabrera to 3rd, but chances are he'll be gone already

Ironman92;1480835 wrote:This is why I should read down.


I just wasn't sure of what Indians fans thought of Cabrera.

It doesn't matter what we think. Antonetti said he's not going anywhere this year.

Ironman92;1481047 wrote:Move deadline to Aug 15th

Nah, that is too late. Still have the waiver wire trades that are possible. Fact is that we don't know what teams were asking for certain guys. Kinda though Philly may send out some guys as you said because of their money...but many times the team you are trading a guy to wants you to pick up part of the tab, and if you still have to pay $$$$ to get rid of Lee's salary, just for some prospects, it just may not be worth it. I think more teams may be just sucking it up this year and hope next year is better.

thavoice;1481362 wrote:Nah, that is too late. Still have the waiver wire trades that are possible. Fact is that we don't know what teams were asking for certain guys. Kinda though Philly may send out some guys as you said because of their money...but many times the team you are trading a guy to wants you to pick up part of the tab, and if you still have to pay $$$$ to get rid of Lee's salary, just for some prospects, it just may not be worth it. I think more teams may be just sucking it up this year and hope next year is better.

With 5 teams out of 15 making the playoffs so many teams still have a chance.....two weeks later, some of those teams will be out and their players available....the waiver wire is tricky and teams easily block each other.

When the trade deadline started only 2 teams made the playoffs.

Yeah, moving it later probably would induce more trades but when is it really too late for a trade deadline? Think it is hockey where it is such a joke of how late it is.