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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Oct 10, 2013 2:31pm
Obamacare is just one piece of the socialist puzzle.BoatShoes;1515982 wrote:teh P00rz who have trouble paying for gas are not comparable to cancer survivors, people with MS, etc. who are not insurable under individual based underwriting standards.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 10, 2013 2:34pm
WebFire;1515992 wrote:Obamacare is just one piece of the socialist puzzle.
The most integral piece, per Vladimir Lenin
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Oct 10, 2013 2:43pm
1. You are the one that made the claim that hardly any young people would use their car insurance, so the burden of proof is on you.BoatShoes;1515984 wrote:Why don't you provide a source to back up your claim that 50% of people 16-30 get into an auto accident?
What percentage of people do you think use medical services that they did not adequately save for between 16-30?
And, no...Obamacare is not the first thing to introduce community rating. Most states had some kind of community rating prior to. Haven't you heard prior to Obamacare stories about group insurance plans getting more expensive when the guy at the plant gets cancer, etc? Health insurance regulators have long used community rating regimes...it's just standardized nationally now to stop regulatory shopping.
2. You and I both know that a company pay a little more due to their overall risk is a LOT different than making ALL young people pay a LOT more than what they currently would be just to lump them in with the old folks.
3. Your example is about as close as having higher car insurance rates if you live in a "city" vs suburb regardless of age.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 10, 2013 2:58pm
More links via Drudge
Obamacare website cost more than FACEBOOKTWITTERLINKEDININSTAGRAM...
'How can we tax people for not buying product from website that doesn't work?'
Once you get in, you can't get out...
Crazzzzzzzy code...
'It looks like nobody tested it'...
Hawaii forced to relaunch after zero sign-ups...
Only 5 Iowans..
Obamacare website cost more than FACEBOOKTWITTERLINKEDININSTAGRAM...
'How can we tax people for not buying product from website that doesn't work?'
Once you get in, you can't get out...
Crazzzzzzzy code...
'It looks like nobody tested it'...
Hawaii forced to relaunch after zero sign-ups...
Only 5 Iowans..
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 10, 2013 3:22pm
So is this forum now just Quaker pasting the entirety of Drudge everyday?
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 10, 2013 3:46pm
No, just 'The Best of' 
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 11, 2013 4:33pm
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/11/ben-carson-obamacare-worst-thing-slavery/
[h=1]Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery[/h]
The black neurosurgeon has also been targeted by the IRS; the radical despots in charge know no bounds.
[h=1]Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery[/h]
The black neurosurgeon has also been targeted by the IRS; the radical despots in charge know no bounds.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 14, 2013 1:54pm
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 14, 2013 2:38pm
That might be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said.QuakerOats;1516551 wrote:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/11/ben-carson-obamacare-worst-thing-slavery/
Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery
The black neurosurgeon has also been targeted by the IRS; the radical despots in charge know no bounds.
Iliketurtles
Posts: 8,191
Oct 14, 2013 2:59pm
Yeah I mean does he not remember prohibition! That is worse than both of these things!!I Wear Pants;1517831 wrote:That might be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said.
Devils Advocate
Posts: 4,539
Oct 14, 2013 4:39pm
No, he actualy bet a Vasectomy with 2kool over the election and welched on itI Wear Pants;1517831 wrote:That might be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said.
believer
Posts: 8,153
Oct 14, 2013 6:57pm
I'm assuming that contract became null & void when the votes of illegal immigrants, multi-voting, and the votes of dead Democrats factored into the massive 50.9% majority that propelled the Anointed One to his rightful place in the new Mericun Mediocrity. : thumbup:Devils Advocate;1517903 wrote:No, he actualy bet a Vasectomy with 2kool over the election and welched on it
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 14, 2013 11:06pm
All bets assume each party is abiding by the rules.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 14, 2013 11:07pm
I Wear Pants;1517831 wrote:That might be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said.
yikes , we have another newcomer who has no clue.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 15, 2013 12:51pm
5 million of them? Please.believer;1517953 wrote:I'm assuming that contract became null & void when the votes of illegal immigrants, multi-voting, and the votes of dead Democrats factored into the massive 50.9% majority that propelled the Anointed One to his rightful place in the new Mericun Mediocrity. : thumbup:
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 15, 2013 1:25pm
Typical left wing response....Allan West has continually...and for several years ...alluded to government dependency as a form of slavery, and to liberalism and their pols as the new slavemasters. Usually the democrats and the left sputter 'preposterous' and try to marginalize that idea. Despite that, the idea continues to gain traction as people's eyes are opened to the insidious loss of freedom that government control brings.That might be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 15, 2013 1:34pm
Nope, it's still retarded.HitsRus;1518248 wrote:Typical left wing response....Allan West has continually...and for several years ...alluded to government dependency as a form of slavery, and to liberalism and their pols as the new slavemasters. Usually the democrats and the left sputter 'preposterous' and try to marginalize that idea. Despite that, the idea continues to gain traction as people's eyes are opened to the insidious loss of freedom that government control brings.
HitsRus
Posts: 9,206
Oct 15, 2013 1:43pm
I understand how dangerous this idea is for the liberal elite who depend on the support of people who believe that actual good is being done. Once that illusion is destroyed, people run away from the need to have government control cradle to grave. Hence the need for descriptions like "dumbest" and "retarded" and back hand dismissals.
But feel free to explain yourself.
But feel free to explain yourself.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 15, 2013 2:00pm
It's strange...when you read up on why Walter Heller advised LBJ to go with income support instead of guaranteed employment advocated by the likes of John Kenneth Galbraith...there's all kinds of talk about "commercial keynesianism" and economic growth being strong enough to have the private sector absorb the unemployed but nothing about how great it would be to create a permanent underclass of unemployed minorities chained to the democrat plantation that will ensure democratic electoral dominance for decades to come.HitsRus;1518257 wrote:I understand how dangerous this idea is for the liberal elite who depend on the support of people who believe that actual good is being done. Once that illusion is destroyed, people run away from the need to have government control cradle to grave. Hence the need for descriptions like "dumbest" and "retarded" and back hand dismissals.
But feel free to explain yourself.
Indeed, if that was the strategy...it was literally the dumbest electoral strategy in a hundred years. The anti-poverty programs that the democrats created solidified the current conservative coalition and turned Hubert Humphrey voting whites into Nixon and Reagan voting whites who didn't want to see their hard earned money go to lazy welfare queens.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 15, 2013 2:02pm
No that's more like Medicare and medicaid and the V.A. system but when those are expanded when a republican is in the presidency you hear crickets. Certainly no filibusters or storming of the gates with confederate flags.WebFire;1515992 wrote:Obamacare is just one piece of the socialist puzzle.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 15, 2013 2:05pm
Apparently people make a car insurance claim once every 19 years on average. Plenty more people make health insurance claims than that.jmog;1515999 wrote:1. You are the one that made the claim that hardly any young people would use their car insurance, so the burden of proof is on you.
2. You and I both know that a company pay a little more due to their overall risk is a LOT different than making ALL young people pay a LOT more than what they currently would be just to lump them in with the old folks.
3. Your example is about as close as having higher car insurance rates if you live in a "city" vs suburb regardless of age.
All insurance redistributes wealth from the risk pool to the unlucky. Obamcare just changes it to where the redistribution occurs ex ante instead of ex post...as was already done in a lot of states.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Oct 15, 2013 2:07pm
pmoney25;1515989 wrote:It is responsible to purchase or have insurance. It is responsible to work out, eat better, look both ways before crossing the street, raise my children to be good people and productive members of society. I just don't jump to the conclusion the only answer is for the Federal Government to decide how to fix it.
I also enjoy this myth that somehow prior to Obamacare we were involved in some sort of Healthcare Capitialist utopia and that is why we need the government to step in. Government has been in involved in Healthcare for at least 50 years and in all honesty is the biggest culprit as to why healthcare cost have gone through the roof. They did the same exact thing to the Education system and what a coincidence those two things are the biggest causes of strain and debt for people today.
People didn't just "jump to the conclusion". They've tried different things over the years and all over the world. The freest economy in the world in Hong Kong goes way farther than this.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 15, 2013 4:02pm
"WATCHDOG GROUP SAYS ex-ACORN operatives are helping Americans sign up for ObamaCare through 'Navigator' program, and may be collecting taxpayer dollars for it, despite Congress' efforts to cut off the organization from government funding. "
As we knew.
The disaster rolls on ...
As we knew.
The disaster rolls on ...
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Oct 15, 2013 4:06pm
I thought the world was supposed to have exploded by now.
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QuakerOats
Posts: 8,740
Oct 15, 2013 4:14pm
It did; 17% of BIG government is somewhat on hold, and you would have thought the republicans were back to killing women and children in the streets.