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Con_Alma
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Jun 27, 2013 11:28pm
We all make choices that have lasting consequences....some that we aren't yet aware of or able to see. ...that includes Eric Snowden.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 27, 2013 11:36pm
I'm somewhat persuaded, by his actions, that he knew the consequences. Seems that the alternative was to either put his life/well-being in more immediate danger, or keep quiet about unconstitutional activity.Con_Alma;1464722 wrote:We all make choices that have lasting consequences....some that we aren't yet aware of or able to see. ...that includes Eric Snowden.
I'd suggest his actions to be the most ethical of those available.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 27, 2013 11:37pm
I don't think he could possibly know the details of the outcome. I don't think anyone does ...even now.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 27, 2013 11:41pm
Maybe not the intricacies, no. However, I would have guessed that, generally speaking, he'd be vilified and hunted by government organizations and the large-scale media outlets.Con_Alma;1464736 wrote:I don't think he could possibly know the details of the outcome. I don't think anyone does ...even now.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 27, 2013 11:43pm
...or granted political asylum somwhere. It's unknown.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Jun 27, 2013 11:44pm
Well, the two I mentioned seem to have come to fruition thus far. As for asylum, I hope he finds it somewhere. That does indeed remain to be seen, though.Con_Alma;1464753 wrote:...or granted political asylum somwhere. It's unknown.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jun 27, 2013 11:47pm
He like all of us make choices that have unknown consequences. He does not know his future or what his life will be like going forward. Will he be in a U.S. Federal prison or will he be living in Iceland? There's a pretty big difference between the two.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Jun 27, 2013 11:51pm
If he spends a second in prison it would be too long
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Jun 29, 2013 8:56pm
O-Trap;1464344 wrote:there is just too much liability in killing someone like him. people get these notions from movies that is so easy to cover up stuff etc. heck, watch the history channel and see all the crazy stuff we did during the cold war, even with all the precautions, stuff still gets out eventually. you really give the bumbling federal government that much credit to cover up snowden's "dissapearance"?Glory Days;1463579 wrote: Again, why do you assume that rules of engagement are all they care about? Why do you assume they wouldn't kill for less.
No offense intended (I genuinely mean that), but I would probably prefer to err on the side of caution ... ie, not trusting someone to not come after me simply because I place nobody's life in danger.
Are you assuming everything is always done on the books? That there is such transparency?
Moreover, I'd submit that it doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to believe that illicit, under-the-table activities occur from time to time. You won't find me espousing the belief that the moon landing was faked, that JFK's assassination was something other than what was described in the news, or that 9/11 was an inside job. However, I'd suggest there is middle ground between being a conspiracy theorist and being naive. I would suggest that believing everything is done on the books (where that paperwork comes in) is naive.
kind of a stretch dont you say from gathering data that will most likely sit unused forever and raping? and judges on the FISA court are automatically crooked? and the founding fathers wouldnt exactly like blacks or women owning land either, but yeah, lets bring them into this debate...The Fourth Amendment would suggest otherwise, as likely would the founders. If Congress passed a law allowing your wife to be raped by government officials, and a crooked judge approved it, would it be legal?
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Jul 3, 2013 1:22am
We weren't really spying on the EU...it was just porn for liberal mental masturbation....."oh my, what grand entitlements....oh my, look at those tax rates.....oh dear lord that naughty VAT"
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Jul 3, 2013 11:31am
It seems the ramifications of Snowden's actions are stretching beyond just him and the U.S. Government. It's obvious that his search for asylum was going to be a tough one, but it almost caused an international incident last night with the Bolivian President having his plane grounded and searched by Austria.
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BoatShoes
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Jul 3, 2013 12:22pm
Ha, I Laffed.gut;1467256 wrote:We weren't really spying on the EU...it was just porn for liberal mental masturbation....."oh my, what grand entitlements....oh my, look at those tax rates.....oh dear lord that naughty VAT"