Gblock;1467116 wrote:This site is 75% closet racists no wonder it has less than 50 members after 4+ years

lol gtfo with that shit.

gport_tennis;1467124 wrote:The medical examiner's saying that those injuries were not life threatening does not change much in my eyes. The injuries could have been life threatening had he not stopped trayvon from beating him. George is not a doctor, he can't assess the injuries as they are happening to him. He knows that he is pinned to the ground with somebody smashing his head to the concrete.

A person being chased by a another with a knife hasn't had life threatening injuries. Doesn't mean their life isn't in danger. They should do what it takes to save their own life

That's going to be the question for the jury. The defense attorney tried to sneak in the question, "Could the next blow have been life threatening?" but there was an objection. But that's a slippery slope in my mind. With the testimony of the medical examiner, it casts doubt that TM was "smashing" GZ's head into the concrete. She said that the injuries were very minor and likened them to scratches...just that it looked worse because of the dried blood. If someone is "smashing" your head into concrete, you'd likely get more than just a few scrapes on the back of your dome.

But to say the next injury could have been life threatening had he not stopped him does not float with me. TM could have stood up and walked away if he wasn't shot. One of the witnesses could have jumped in if the fight went on another minute. We can play that game all day. So I don't think that's a very strong defense as to why you kill someone.

Gblock;1467116 wrote:This site is 75% closet racists no wonder it has less than 50 members after 4+ years

Closet eh?

Gblock;1467116 wrote:This site is 75% closet racists no wonder it has less than 50 members after 4+ years

bLuE_71;1467223 wrote:Closet eh?

I don't think many are closet racists. They're rather open.

Is the MSM racist for portraying this as a black vs. white situation? Do you agree that some of the stereotypes placed upon blacks were true for some of the witnesses?

What part(s) of this thread are you unhappy with?

The medical examiner testimony isn't that powerful. Besides basing her opinion on photos (rather than an exam), Zimmerman doesn't have to be in actual life threatening danger but only have a reasonable belief of that. I mean, it's powerful if the DA only had to create reasonable doubt that it wasn't self-defense...

The bigger deal for the DA was that TM had no DNA on the gun, and Zimmerman claimed he grabbed it.

I suppose the two together aren't nothing. But at this point it should take the jury about two seconds to come back "not guilty".

Gblock;1467116 wrote:This site is 75% closet racists no wonder it has less than 50 members after 4+ years

+1 you have a lot of internet I'll hide behind my computer types. I've stated before many wouldn't act with so much piss and vinegar in person lol. I'll wait for the end result of the case to see if the know it alls and legal eagles are right. Kind of like the election

LMAO....a black female prosecutor on Anderson Cooper is getting absolutely destroyed and mocked by 4 white male attorneys on the panel.

Personally I think Zimmerman's actions appear to be reckless resulting in the death of a human being. The evidence presented so far barely supports even that assertion. Malicious intent to kill beyond reasonable doubt? Not even close. I guess that places me in the 75% of closet racists. Its like saying your a misogynist because you hold the opinion that Casey Anthony killed her daughter.

majorspark;1467257 wrote:Personally I think Zimmerman's actions appear to be reckless resulting in the death of a human being. The evidence presented so far barely supports even that assertion. Malicious intent to kill beyond reasonable doubt? Not even close. I guess that places me in the 75% of closet racists. Its like saying your a misogynist because you hold the opinion that Casey Anthony killed her daughter.

I doubt that is the reason why he is calliing people closet racists. I think he is basing it off of their comments and some of their blanket statements. I'm with you on that thought process regarding Zimmerman's actions. I also don't feel that the state will be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmermans actions were malicious.

Might be a day or two before the state rests, but I don't think they've come remotely close to proving their case. Heard a few say this shouldn't even go to jury, but most are saying the defense doesn't really even have to put on a case at this point.

Interesting thing about the gun and fingerprints....Zimmerman's prints weren't on it, either. So I guess you can't say that invalidates his claim that TM grabbed the gun.

Also saw a gun expert demonstrating Zimmerman's model. Said it was pretty horribly inaccurate for other than close range. Make of that what you will.

gut;1467254 wrote:LMAO....a black female prosecutor on Anderson Cooper is getting absolutely destroyed and mocked by 4 white male attorneys on the panel.

that has been the story all week. every now and then the one guy might side with her, but overall she just looks stupid.

gut;1467248 wrote:The bigger deal for the DA was that TM had no DNA on the gun, and Zimmerman claimed he grabbed it.

I'm not sure that DNA is transferred to everything one "touches". My brother was murdered last winter. The trial was last month. The white guy that killed my brother centered his defense around his black buddy with an extensive record and when the black guy testified against him he was at the time incarcerated at a state penal institution. The black guy admitted to a physical altercation with my brother at the murder scene. My brother could not respond physically because he was trying to sleep off after a night of drinking at a bar parking lot in his vehicle. So the black guy said after punching him and no response he left him go and went back to the vehicle he arrived in. Thing is with all the contact he admitted to his DNA was nowhere to be found at the scene.

The white guys DNA was all over the scene but only in the form of blood. Though he touched many parts of the vehicle it was through blood. He cut himself on the knife he used to stab my brother. In his defense he testified that his DNA was on the scene because he cut himself slashing the vehicles tires and witnessed the black guy returning to the vehicle with blood on his shirt. But in the end the all white jury saw the physical evidence for what it was and convicted the good looking 21yr old white guy of murder.

rmolin73;1467259 wrote:I doubt that is the reason why he is calliing people closet racists. I think he is basing it off of their comments and some of their blanket statements. I'm with you on that thought process regarding Zimmerman's actions. I also don't feel that the state will be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmermans actions were malicious.

I agree some of the comments may indicate that. But to say 75%? That is a big stretch.

majorspark;1467268 wrote:I agree some of the comments may indicate that. But to say 75%? That is a big stretch.

Ok 74%

rmolin73;1467269 wrote:Ok 74%

A much more reasonable percentage.

sherm03;1467120 wrote:I think today was big for the prosecution. The Medical Examiner's testimony that Zimmerman's injuries were not life threatening and were "insignificant" really hurts his claim that he was scared for his life.

Also, I'm calling bullshit on Zimmerman saying that he did not know of any type of "stand your ground" law in Florida.[/ ]

The injuries may not be life threading but what about the actions that created the injury. If someone attach you, punches you ... What are their intentions do you really know? In my opinion you have the expect the worst ... Once you're knocked out , one head kick what could happen?

I don't know how many fights you been in but for me I'm fight for my life and yes that fear is a driving force to survive. The more aggressive the opposition get, my aggressive, brutality and craziness is tripled and if that means ... Having to pull my weapon so be it

iclfan2;1467118 wrote:Oh.

io.

Rachel Jeantel is a walking stereotype, hell she couldn't even read! But I guess we're all racists for pointing that out. Media "She's a victim of circumstance!" Bullshit, she's a ghetto black girl, but I hate black people for saying it. Right GBlock? gtfo. Can't criticise a black person without another one claiming you're a racist.

Also - it's videos like this that make it so easy to make blanket statements.
http://deadspin.com/nothing-says-u-s-independence-like-a-pregnant-lady-bra-533947662

sherm03;1467168 wrote:That's going to be the question for the jury. The defense attorney tried to sneak in the question, "Could the next blow have been life threatening?" but there was an objection. But that's a slippery slope in my mind. With the testimony of the medical examiner, it casts doubt that TM was "smashing" GZ's head into the concrete. She said that the injuries were very minor and likened them to scratches...just that it looked worse because of the dried blood. If someone is "smashing" your head into concrete, you'd likely get more than just a few scrapes on the back of your dome.

But to say the next injury could have been life threatening had he not stopped him does not float with me. TM could have stood up and walked away if he wasn't shot. One of the witnesses could have jumped in if the fight went on another minute. We can play that game all day. So I don't think that's a very strong defense as to why you kill someone.

I say it is reasonable to fear for your life if you are being "ground and pounded" as the witness described he saw it. It only takes one punch(Utah soccer ref for example) for a situation to become deadly, and I don't think anyone is denying at this point that trayvon was in the dominate position beating George Zimmerman (if you believe the Zimmerman was on top then that is a diff story.)

With what the state has provided so far, I don't see a rational way the jury can convict. I just don't see the evidence or witness testimony showing he committed murder 2

Raw Dawgin' it;1467285 wrote:Rachel Jeantel is a walking stereotype, hell she couldn't even read! But I guess we're all racists for pointing that out. Media "She's a victim of circumstance!" Bull****, she's a ghetto black girl, but I hate black people for saying it. Right GBlock? gtfo. Can't criticise a black person without another one claiming you're a racist.

Also - it's videos like this that make it so easy to make blanket statements.
http://deadspin.com/nothing-says-u-s-independence-like-a-pregnant-lady-bra-533947662

Lol for every one of those videos you can find one for white trash too

gport_tennis;1467306 wrote:I say it is reasonable to fear for your life if you are being "ground and pounded" as the witness described he saw it. It only takes one punch(Utah soccer ref for example) for a situation to become deadly, and I don't think anyone is denying at this point that trayvon was in the dominate position beating George Zimmerman (if you believe the Zimmerman was on top then that is a diff story.)

With what the state has provided so far, I don't see a rational way the jury can convict. I just don't see the evidence or witness testimony showing he committed murder 2

What are the sizes of the two individuals approximately (Height and weight)? From the looks of the two, I have a hard time believing that GM feared for his life with a teenager on top of him and was just looking for trouble.

Hb31187;1467309 wrote:Lol for every one of those videos you can find one for white trash too

Yeah but I don't go around claiming "racist!" over a stereotype. I'm sorry, should I feel bad for someone who 1) didn't want to be a witness for her friend 2) can't read and 3) can barely speak english? If it were a white woman on there with 5 kids, living in a trailer, and collecting welfare I'd make the joke too, but i wouldn't call people who made fun of her a racist.

Hb31187;1467311 wrote:What are the sizes of the two individuals approximately (Height and weight)? From the looks of the two, I have a hard time believing that GM feared for his life with a teenager on top of him and was just looking for trouble.

Google it, the media only shows a picture of 12 year old TM.

Hb31187;1467311 wrote:What are the sizes of the two individuals approximately (Height and weight)? From the looks of the two, I have a hard time believing that GM feared for his life with a teenager on top of him and was just looking for trouble.

according to reports from that day: TM was approx 5'11" 160lbs, GZ 5'7" 185lbs. George Zimmerman looks like an out of shape slight overweight average guy, while Travyon was younger, fitter, and on top of George Zimmerman beating him. Again it only takes one punch( 17 year old soccer player, killed ref with one punch to the head) for something to be fatal. It is reasonable to think that he feared for his life in the situation he was in.

Gblock;1467116 wrote:This site is 75% closet racists no wonder it has less than 50 members after 4+ years

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