Jayhawks going to go down to Nova in the Bahamas.

Big shot to win it. Does Arizona jump UK?

GOONx19;1544636 wrote:Big shot to win it. Does Arizona jump UK?

They will probably get some #1 votes. Oklahoma State might jump UK too.

Damn..walked in and had my dad turn on the game right before that shot for Villanova.

Sucks to lose

Wiggins was really quiet tonight and in the other games I've seen him. Kid will be great some day, but he just doesn't have that pop yet. I think a lot of that is due to him still growing into his game physically at this level. Compared to guys like Randle and Parker, Wiggins just doesn't have the NBA frame yet. Can't blame him, though, for not being able to fill in Wilt Chamberlain's shoes. The hype surrounding him was impossible to live up to.

Big win for Nova.

SportsAndLady;1544638 wrote:Damn..walked in and had my dad turn on the game right before that shot for Villanova.

Sucks to lose

Nova played like garbage almost the entire second half. KU actually got fucked over by the jump ball rule when they tied up Nova and lost the alternate possession. Hate that rule. Neither team really deserved to win.

I think Arizona and OK State have looked as good as any two teams I've seen. Arizona has looked better than even Michigan State, in my opinion. Sean Miller has that program headed back to where it was during Lute Olson's glory years.

reclegend22;1544642 wrote:I think Arizona and OK State have looked as good as any two teams I've seen. Arizona has looked better than even Michigan State, in my opinion. Sean Miller has that program headed back to where it was during Lute Olson's glory years.

I don't want to take the next 4 months for granted, but March Madness will be incredible this year.

Terry_Tate;1544644 wrote:I don't want to take the next 4 months for granted, but March Madness will be incredible this year.

Agreed. There are some years when there are one or two teams that are just a step ahead of everyone else and so the story line sort of becomes can anybody stop them. This is not one of those years. We have a wide open race, folks. Should be a special season.

reclegend22;1544639 wrote:Wiggins was really quiet tonight and in the other games I've seen him. Kid will be great some day, but he just doesn't have that pop yet. I think a lot of that is due to him still growing into his game physically at this level. Compared to guys like Randle and Parker, Wiggins just doesn't have the NBA frame yet. Can't blame him, though, for not being able to fill in Wilt Chamberlain's shoes. The hype surrounding him was impossible to live up to.

Big win for Nova.

He definitely hasn't been the highlight reel that a lot of Kansas fans were projecting. Looks a lot like Harrison Barnes at UNC so far. Solid player (16 ppg as a frosh is nothing to sneeze at), but doesn't blow you away, and doesn't seem to demand the ball.

reclegend22;1544642 wrote:I think Arizona and OK State have looked as good as any two teams I've seen. Arizona has looked better than even Michigan State, in my opinion. Sean Miller has that program headed back to where it was during Lute Olson's glory years.

While I want to agree, let's keep in mind that Duke was a fantastic matchup for us, with no one to guard Zeus.

Damn am I impressed everytime I watch Parker though...geez.

Mulva;1544663 wrote:He definitely hasn't been the highlight reel that a lot of Kansas fans were projecting. Looks a lot like Harrison Barnes at UNC so far. Solid player (16 ppg as a frosh is nothing to sneeze at), but doesn't blow you away, and doesn't seem to demand the ball.

The Harrison Barnes comparison, at this point, is spot on. I didn't want to say it, because, around here and to many fans in college basketball, that's usually viewed as a slap in the face to a freshman. When actually, as much as I disliked the kid, Barnes was a really good college player, especially as a freshman -- 15 points and 5 rebounds are good numbers.

As you point out, however, Barnes, like Wiggins, just didn't stand out on the court as a "superstar" and seemed to almost shy away from being the go-to guy down the stretch, or at least didn't appear to have the same kind of self-determination to be that guy that other great players posses. It might just not be in their respective DNA.

Harrison Barnes really got better the second half of the season. Wiggins, for his flaws, is better than Barnes was through half-a-dozen games.

The key thing is they were able to convince Barnes to come back for another year. Won't happen with Wiggins.

It's 6 games lol relax people. Wiggins took over that duke game in the 2nd half and is a lock down defender. He'll make his mark on college bball in no time.

SportsAndLady;1544882 wrote:It's 6 games lol relax people. Wiggins took over that duke game in the 2nd half and is a lock down defender. He'll make his mark on college bball in no time.

I don't think anyone is overreacting, but it's tough to do when a guy is expected to impact the game like Kevin Durant. Well, this is what the national media picked up and started to say.

I'm definitely still confident he will leave his mark, but I remember you calling Anthony Davis not worthy of his hype...

Azubuike24;1544886 wrote:I don't think anyone is overreacting, but it's tough to do when a guy is expected to impact the game like Kevin Durant. Well, this is what the national media picked up and started to say.

I'm definitely still confident he will leave his mark, but I remember you calling Anthony Davis not worthy of his hype...

What did I say about AD? I remember always being an AD fan

Don't get me wrong. Wiggins is still a special player and will undoubtedly have many memorable performances as a Jayhawk.

While at this point I don't believe Duke will have enough pieces to reach the Final Four -- unless the Devils can get some productivity out of Marshall Plumlee defensively, I just see their interior deficiencies being too great against all the strong front courts in college basketball this season -- I can't stress enough how much I want to see another Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins matchup in March. In that situation, with the attention of the entire sporting world on them, I think those guys would do something special, something Michael vs. 'Nique like. If we're lucky, maybe we'll get to see it in the Sweet 16 or Elite Eight. KU as a #1 and Duke as a #2-#4.

I realize I'm one of the only people in the world watching college basketball tonight, but UTEP just made a nice comeback on Kansas in the Bahamas, getting to within 3 at the end. The Jayhawks prevail, however. So many close games this year. Seems like every game has gone down to the wire.

Iowa-Nova is pretty blah, though. Back to Johnny Football.

Parker is better and was originally thought of as better, Wiggins hype caught on last year really. I've always been a bigger fan of Parker

People are too enamored with offense.

Wiggins held Parker fucking scoreless for an entire half of basketball...the other 20 minutes the kid had like 25 pts.

Wiggins > Parker. Parker is a top 5 player in college ball this year (probably #3), but Wiggins is #1. Maybe not by the numbers, but just watch. He is too unselfish for some people, but dont let that fool you into overlooking his skill level.


Also, Michigan State and Oklahoma State are 1 and 1a. But if MSU is going to REALLY compete, they need Gary Harris to get/stay healthy and deliver in the clutch. The other top teams have it, and I dont trust Appling to be able to take over with his (relatively) small frame for an 8 minute stretch to end a game.

Laley23;1545322 wrote:People are too enamored with offense.

Wiggins held Parker fucking scoreless for an entire half of basketball...the other 20 minutes the kid had like 25 pts.

Parker scored 19 points in the first half against Kansas, and 8 points in the second half, so this is inaccurate. Also, as he has been all year due to Duke's extreme lack of size, Parker was asked to play every position in the front-court throughout the game. He didn't have anywhere near the legs that Wiggins did in the second half (Wiggins sat out almost half of the entire first half due to foul trouble, and also wasn't asked to do battle in the low post).

Laley23 wrote:Wiggins > Parker. Parker is a top 5 player in college ball this year (probably #3), but Wiggins is #1.

Totally disagree with that, as do most college basketball experts. The general consensus so far this season is Smart, McDermott and Parker as this year's best players on the college level. So far. Which is what we are talking about here. Maybe Wiggins will get there, but he certainly hasn't proven he's the best player in college basketball as of yet. Most, aside from you, don't even believe he's the best freshman. I get that you love Wiggins' game, but not sure how you can objectively look at things and state that he's been the best freshman this year based on performance.

Laley23 wrote:Maybe not by the numbers, but just watch. He is too unselfish for some people, but dont let that fool you into overlooking his skill level.

The same thing can be said about Parker's skill level, and he's also putting up the numbers. Despite scoring 23 points a game, Parker is far from selfish. He plays completely within himself and his team, understanding where to pick his spots. As far as skill set, he is just as adept at posting up inside as he is operating around the perimeter or from mid-range (the most versatile freshman I've seen in years), can score in Carmelo-like fashion on quick step-backs or turnaround jumpers from any distance with defenders right in his grill (a rare talent for a player his age) and his ability to run and see the floor with the ball in his hands as a capable 6-foot-9 point-forward resembles that of Grant Hill or Scottie Pippen. He's a once-in-a-generation talent. Right there with Kevin Durant (even more skilled than Durant was as an all-around player) and Michael Beasley on the college stage.

And despite not being great defensively yet, Parker is no slouch and frequently comes up with brilliant plays on that end of the floor. He has already shown to be a particularly excellent off-ball/help defender (ala Shane Battier) with a facility for coming up with key blocks (averaging almost two a game) and is a solid rebounder for playing so much on the perimeter (8 boards a game).

In my non-biased opinion, I don't think you can truly compare Parker and Wiggins. Parker is Carmelo Anthony re-incarnate in college. It's truly unbelievable: the low post game, the offensive rebounding, the subtleties in the shooting (check out the Dirk one-legger he shot the other day against 'Bama). Wiggins is just a true absolute wing scorer/defender and I really don't have a comparison because we haven't seen one in a long time. Wiggins projects, at least to me, as a consistent future top 5ish wing in the NBA. But he's definitely more of a perimeter oriented wing whereas Parker has a much better post game.

I think both can be #1 options on a championship quality team, so I think comparing them is a waste because their games don't really warrant a comparison. It's fun to argue about it on here, but when it comes to NBA projection, they're different players, IMO

And hey, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, that's just my opinion from what I've seen in HS and so far in college.

reclegend22;1545340 wrote:Parker scored 19 points in the first half against Kansas, and 8 points in the second half, so this is inaccurate.

Entire half of basketball can be considered any 20 minutes of it, I would imagine.

Laley23;1545322 wrote:People are too enamored with offense.

Wiggins held Parker fucking scoreless for an entire half of basketball...the other 20 minutes the kid had like 25 pts.

Wiggins > Parker. Parker is a top 5 player in college ball this year (probably #3), but Wiggins is #1. Maybe not by the numbers, but just watch. He is too unselfish for some people, but dont let that fool you into overlooking his skill level.


Also, Michigan State and Oklahoma State are 1 and 1a. But if MSU is going to REALLY compete, they need Gary Harris to get/stay healthy and deliver in the clutch. The other top teams have it, and I dont trust Appling to be able to take over with his (relatively) small frame for an 8 minute stretch to end a game.

Totally agreed. Also, this is bill selfs offense. No Kansas Fan is surprised by this. Self does not allow someone to just go off in his offense, unless it is within the offense. Wiggins hasn't gotten acclimated to that but will by the time big 12 season rolls around.

I also hate how the Parker wiggins comparison always comes up though. They couldn't be more different players.

reclegend22;1545340 wrote:Parker scored 19 points in the first half against Kansas, and 8 points in the second half, so this is inaccurate. Also, as he has been all year due to Duke's extreme lack of size, Parker was asked to play every position in the front-court throughout the game. He didn't have anywhere near the legs that Wiggins did in the second half (Wiggins sat out almost half of the entire first half due to foul trouble, and also wasn't asked to do battle in the low post).



Totally disagree with that, as do most college basketball experts. The general consensus so far this season is Smart, McDermott and Parker as this year's best players on the college level. So far. Which is what we are talking about here. Maybe Wiggins will get there, but he certainly hasn't proven he's the best player in college basketball as of yet. Most, aside from you, don't even believe he's the best freshman. I get that you love Wiggins' game, but not sure how you can objectively look at things and state that he's been the best freshman this year based

Im im talking about the 18 min Wiggins guarded Parker. He had 2 FTs I believe and it was off a broken play. Wiggins shut him down with his defense, it was very apparent.

Secondly, I guess I didn't realize it was a college debate cause I skimmed most of the last 2 pages. While I think Wiggins is tremendous in college, you are right it's a 3 man race right now. But now one in the world thinks Doug McDermott is better than Wiggins. I was going off pure skill, potential and next level ability. In that sense I stand by Parker being #3 overall with Wiggins and Smart fighting for #1. To give a sense, for what I was talking about, Joel Embiid is probably in my top 10...and nd es arranging like 15 min a game off the bench for Kansas.