Ironman92
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Apr 29, 2013 9:58pm
justincredible;1435851 wrote:Xavier Paul > Heisey. By a lot. X should start the majority if the time until Luddy gets back even when Heisey comes back.
Neither are very good. X has a better approach but Heisey is better on defense.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Apr 29, 2013 10:00pm
*Insert the almost daily comment about Brandon Phillips being a stud here*
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Apr 29, 2013 10:04pm
Terry_Tate;1435874 wrote:*Insert the almost daily comment about Brandon Phillips being a stud here*
Best 2nd basemen in baseball.
Yes. That includes Robbie Cano.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 29, 2013 10:09pm
Ironman92;1435873 wrote:Neither are very good. X has a better approach but Heisey is better on defense.
X has a MUCH better approach and LF defense is overrated.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 29, 2013 10:16pm
ummm.....wildcats20;1435879 wrote:Best 2nd basemen in baseball.
Yes. That includes Robbie Cano.
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Apr 29, 2013 10:16pm
Laley23;1435891 wrote:ummm.....
Um what?
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 29, 2013 10:19pm
The reds had wainwright on the edge after 5. He's thrown I think 20 pitches since. The first pitch swinging and grounding out softly is back.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 29, 2013 10:20pm
wildcats20;1435892 wrote:Um what?
Kipnis. Duh.
Laley23
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Apr 29, 2013 10:20pm
He is not better than Cano.wildcats20;1435892 wrote:Um what?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 29, 2013 10:21pm
No, he fucking sucks lol. I swear it was that series that jinxed him. He has been shit ever since that fucking thread was createdMidstate01;1435894 wrote:Kipnis. Duh.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 29, 2013 10:22pm
Laley23;1435895 wrote:He is not better than Cano.
Defensively? It's not close.
Offensively? It's not close.
1 for each
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 29, 2013 10:22pm
Laley23;1435896 wrote:No, he ****ing sucks lol. I swear it was that series that jinxed him. He has been **** ever since that ****ing thread was created
Lol I was completely kidding. I just said it strictly on you being an Indians fan.
Laley23
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Apr 29, 2013 10:23pm
I know you were. But, I had to vent anyway. He has pissed me off with his approach dating back almost to that thread.Midstate01;1435898 wrote:Lol I was completely kidding. I just said it strictly on you being an Indians fan.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 29, 2013 10:27pm
I mean, I assume you give BP the defense. But Cano has 2 GG...including last year. Dude is as good a fielder as we have in the game. BP is better, but that is anything but a runaway.Midstate01;1435897 wrote:Defensively? It's not close.
Offensively? It's not close.
1 for each
Offensively Cano is much further ahead of BP then BP is defensively. Cano has the power numbers to beat BP for sure. But even pure hitting (avg) you have BP with 1 season at exactly .300 and Cano with just 2 seasons under .300 (and 1 is his his rookie year when was .297)
SportsAndLady
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Apr 29, 2013 10:37pm
You're welcomeLaley23;1435896 wrote:No, he fucking sucks lol. I swear it was that series that jinxed him. He has been shit ever since that fucking thread was created
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 29, 2013 10:38pm
Defense is a runaway. BP is as good as it gets defensively, probably ever at the 2nd base spot.Laley23;1435901 wrote:I mean, I assume you give BP the defense. But Cano has 2 GG...including last year. Dude is as good a fielder as we have in the game. BP is better, but that is anything but a runaway.
Offensively Cano is much further ahead of BP then BP is defensively. Cano has the power numbers to beat BP for sure. But even pure hitting (avg) you have BP with 1 season at exactly .300 and Cano with just 2 seasons under .300 (and 1 is his his rookie year when was .297)
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Apr 29, 2013 10:45pm
Laley23;1435901 wrote:I mean, I assume you give BP the defense. But Cano has 2 GG...including last year. Dude is as good a fielder as we have in the game. BP is better, but that is anything but a runaway.
Offensively Cano is much further ahead of BP then BP is defensively. Cano has the power numbers to beat BP for sure. But even pure hitting (avg) you have BP with 1 season at exactly .300 and Cano with just 2 seasons under .300 (and 1 is his his rookie year when was .297)
I have Robbie Cano a little ahead of BP overall. BP has that flair that is so entertaining but Cano does those throws to his right that I've never seen anyone else make.
Terry_Tate
Posts: 7,606
Apr 29, 2013 10:46pm
Son of a bitch.
Ironman92
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Apr 29, 2013 10:47pm
Hell of a play by Molina after his boo boo.....lol at the thought of him and Broxton racing
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mhs95_06
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Apr 29, 2013 10:48pm
Broxton blew the hotbox play! He did the right thing running at Molina, but gave up the ball too soon and let him head back toward 3rd. Pathetic! A play that should have been to the advantage of the Reds went to the advantage of the Cards. Instead of an out and runner on 1st, they got an out and a faster runner on 2nd!
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Apr 29, 2013 10:51pm
mhs95_06;1435922 wrote:Broxton blew the hotbox play! He did the right thing running at Molina, but gave up the ball too soon and let him head back toward 3rd. Pathetic! A play that should have been to the advantage of the Reds went to the advantage of the Cards. Instead of an out and runner on 1st, they got an out and a faster runner on 2nd!
It was the eye sore I was hoping to avoid.
Maybe Chris and Broxton can do a Tech Talk on rundowns
Ironman92
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Apr 29, 2013 10:51pm
Anyone else here that Jason Collins is gay?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
Apr 29, 2013 10:51pm
Cano is up there as best 2nd baseman ever on the offensive side. And he is still closer defensively than BP is to his offense, imo.SportsAndLady;1435910 wrote:Defense is a runaway. BP is as good as it gets defensively, probably ever at the 2nd base spot.
As I92, the throws Cano can make running up the middle are matched by no one.
I also think Robbie Alomar is a better defensive player than BP.
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Apr 29, 2013 10:52pm
BTW....this is the game right here
Ironman92
Posts: 49,363
Apr 29, 2013 10:53pm
Laley23;1435926 wrote:Cano is up there as best 2nd baseman ever on the offensive side. And he is still closer defensively than BP is to his offense, imo.
As I92, the throws Cano can make running up the middle are matched by no one.
I also think Robbie Alomar is a better defensive player than BP.
Alomar is the best defensive 2nd baseman I have ever seen....and one of the elite all-around players we'll ever see.