darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Dec 23, 2009 11:03pm
The Mountain West has certainly been impressive so far with 3 wins in bowl games, 2 over the Pac 10 and 2 very winnable games left.
Do they claim the Bowl Challenge Cup?
Do they claim the Bowl Challenge Cup?
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Dec 23, 2009 11:06pm
^^^^
this is pretty much the consensus among most people.
Utah has been impressive tonight and has pretty much shut down Cal for most of the night.
this is pretty much the consensus among most people.
Utah has been impressive tonight and has pretty much shut down Cal for most of the night.
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Dec 23, 2009 11:17pm
BYU dominated Oregon State, Utah is handled Cal, and Wyoming managed to pull a victory out over Fresno State. That is very impressive. Give this conference an annual match up with the Big East and I think they would seriously challenge them.
Air Force
Boise State
BYU
Colorado State
Fresno State
Hawai'i
Houston
Nevada
UNLV
Utah
Texas Christian
Wyoming
That conference would deserve a bid.
Of course, I think the Pacific-10 should add Boise State and consider their twelfth team shortly thereafter.
Air Force
Boise State
BYU
Colorado State
Fresno State
Hawai'i
Houston
Nevada
UNLV
Utah
Texas Christian
Wyoming
That conference would deserve a bid.
Of course, I think the Pacific-10 should add Boise State and consider their twelfth team shortly thereafter.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 23, 2009 11:20pm
Gotta give the MWC dap
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Dec 23, 2009 11:20pm
so you propose taking a few WAC teams and making a 12 team MWC super league? Not too sure I see that happening but from the teams you added that could be one hell of a league....
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Dec 24, 2009 2:35am
Well with a second look I see it as this. Take the Mountain West as it stands (Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, Texas Christian, UNLV, Utah, and Wyoming), and add Boise State, Nevada, and Fresno State.
East Division
Air Force
BYU
Colorado State
New Mexico
Texas Christian
Wyoming
West Division
Boise State
Fresno State
Nevada
San Diego State
UNLV
Utah
That conference is better than the Big East, and probably on par this season with what the Big Ten has been lately. It's probably on par with the Pac-10 in most years too.
East Division
Air Force
BYU
Colorado State
New Mexico
Texas Christian
Wyoming
West Division
Boise State
Fresno State
Nevada
San Diego State
UNLV
Utah
That conference is better than the Big East, and probably on par this season with what the Big Ten has been lately. It's probably on par with the Pac-10 in most years too.
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OldDanTucker
Posts: 283
Dec 24, 2009 2:38am
the only problem with the MWC right now is that the bottom programs are horrible.
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sjmvsfscs08
Posts: 2,963
Dec 24, 2009 3:52am
But you will not see the bottom programs rise until they get an automatic berth. It's just impossible to recruit well there. The top teams can say "Hey, we dominate the conference and enjoy being BCS busters every season." The bottom schools are on par with MAC, recruiting-wise. They would actually benefit the most if an automatic berth were given.
I feel the same way with teams joining larger conferences. If Boise State and Nevada were to jump to the Pacific-10, Nevada would be a solid program within a matter of years.
I feel the same way with teams joining larger conferences. If Boise State and Nevada were to jump to the Pacific-10, Nevada would be a solid program within a matter of years.
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pkebker
Posts: 760
Dec 24, 2009 9:37am
A few years ago, BYU was part of the WAC....It wouldn't be a bad idea for them to join forces...doubt it will happen though
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elbuckeye28
Posts: 919
Dec 24, 2009 9:46am
Boise State to the Pac 10 just doesn't make very much sense.sjmvsfscs08 wrote:
Of course, I think the Pacific-10 should add Boise State and consider their twelfth team shortly thereafter.
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BCSbunk
Posts: 972
Dec 24, 2009 10:05am
No worse than Baylor, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Washington st etc. None are threats to win jack.OldDanTucker wrote: the only problem with the MWC right now is that the bottom programs are horrible.
The bottom dwellers in every conference are.....well..... bottom dwellers.
The BCS is only fooling morons and idiots now.(its a shame so many fall into that category.) The ones that desperately grasp at illogical moronic arguments to justify their idiotic beliefs and lack of any football knowledge.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 24, 2009 10:17am
I root for Boise, but I doubt the Pac-10 would offer them or somebody like BYU a spot. Mostly because any new team would be expected to pull their weight in other sports like basketball where Boise is a non-factor.elbuckeye28 wrote:Boise State to the Pac 10 just doesn't make very much sense.sjmvsfscs08 wrote:
Of course, I think the Pacific-10 should add Boise State and consider their twelfth team shortly thereafter.
I could see Utah getting an invite to the Pac-10 though. They have some history in basketball under Majerus
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Dec 24, 2009 10:59am
^^^^
this. They'd wanna consider every possibility
this. They'd wanna consider every possibility
Emmett Brown
Posts: 478
Dec 24, 2009 11:06am
I can see this happening. Missouri to the Big 10, TCU to the Big 12 and the Pac 10 will add Utah and BYU. I have a feeling that there will be a playoff in 5 years and we will go back to an 11 game season. There will be 5 AQ to the dance with each of the 5 AQ coming from a championship game. Hey I can dream can't I?
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cats gone wild
Posts: 2,651
Dec 24, 2009 12:49pm
[size=xx-large]MWC >[/size][size=xx-small]Big 10[/size]
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Dec 24, 2009 1:02pm
The Big Ten is better than the SEC head-to-head come bowl time in the BCS era, so does that mean MWC > SEC as well?
redfalcon
Posts: 1,088
Dec 25, 2009 1:05am
Some thoughts.
1. Most of the MWC teams were in the Wac just a few years ago. The MWC was created to pull the best teams from the WAC.
2. The MWC over the past few years has dominated the PAC-10. There was a weekend in 2008 where the Pac-10 went 1-5 against the MWC. Wyomings only other bowl win this decade was also over a Pac-10 team, UCLA.
3. What about adding Colorado to that combined WAC-MWC conference people keep discussing?
4. Society, stop trolling.
5. MWC>Big 10? Sorry, doesn't make sense to me. And I graduated from the MWC. Please back up this argument.
1. Most of the MWC teams were in the Wac just a few years ago. The MWC was created to pull the best teams from the WAC.
2. The MWC over the past few years has dominated the PAC-10. There was a weekend in 2008 where the Pac-10 went 1-5 against the MWC. Wyomings only other bowl win this decade was also over a Pac-10 team, UCLA.
3. What about adding Colorado to that combined WAC-MWC conference people keep discussing?
4. Society, stop trolling.
5. MWC>Big 10? Sorry, doesn't make sense to me. And I graduated from the MWC. Please back up this argument.
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dtdtim
Posts: 358
Dec 25, 2009 1:31am
I like this idea, but who would you recommend replace CU in the Big XII that would not already be a member of this WAC/MWC conglomerate? People are already saying that TCU would be the most likely addition to the Big XII in the event that Mizzou leaves for the Big 10, I would imagine that it would be the same should Colorado jump ship.redfalcon wrote: Some thoughts.
1. Most of the MWC teams were in the Wac just a few years ago. The MWC was created to pull the best teams from the WAC.
2. The MWC over the past few years has dominated the PAC-10. There was a weekend in 2008 where the Pac-10 went 1-5 against the MWC. Wyomings only other bowl win this decade was also over a Pac-10 team, UCLA.
3. What about adding Colorado to that combined WAC-MWC conference people keep discussing?
4. Society, stop trolling.
5. MWC>Big 10? Sorry, doesn't make sense to me. And I graduated from the MWC. Please back up this argument.
And sorry Cats, not only did your statement have nothing to do with the topic but it is also untrue. The MWC is 9-17 vs the Big Ten since they formed in 1999. 5 of the wins are against Northwestern and 2 are against Indiana. Albeit it's not a large basis of comparison but the Big 10 clearly has the upper hand.
I will concede that the gap is closing, and fast.
redfalcon
Posts: 1,088
Dec 25, 2009 1:36am
I would actually take one of these approaches:dtdtim wrote:
I like this idea, but who would you recommend replace CU in the Big XII that would not already be a member of this WAC/MWC conglomerate?
1-Houston
2-Arkansas State (by far the least likely)
3-My Favorite, although by far most unorthodox-Send Iowa to the Big 12. Nothing against them, I just think geographically it makes sense. This way the Big-12 has 12 and the Big 10 once again has 10.
Hesston
Posts: 516
Dec 25, 2009 8:38am
I didn't realize the big 10 had a better record vs sec teams in the bcs bowl era. Lots of good ideas here. The mwc is flat out nails, they continue to get hosed by the bcs geezers.
And for the umteenth time I'll say it again college football needs a playoff!
And for the umteenth time I'll say it again college football needs a playoff!
believer
Posts: 8,153
Dec 25, 2009 9:04am
^^^^Agree 100%
darbypitcher22
Posts: 8,000
Dec 25, 2009 10:53am
Playoff will not happen.... anybody read the Dispatch article yesterday w/ the Gordon Gee interview?
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Dec 25, 2009 11:00am
Just read it... Thanks.darbypitcher22 wrote: Playoff will not happen.... anybody read the Dispatch article yesterday w/ the Gordon Gee interview?
Uggh if that is his opinion, fine, I am cool with it. I just hate that he doesn't give any justification at all. Also he is in favor of the Big 10 championship in football, but not a playoff? (<-- this wasn't in the article)
My favorite quote in the article though. After trashing the playoff the whole time and anointing the BCS, he gets asked about how he'd feel if Ohio State was left out of the championship and they went undefeated :
E. Gordon Gee wrote:"I know how Ohio State fans would respond to it; they would be outraged," Gee said. "And I know how I would respond; I'd be very unhappy.
redfalcon
Posts: 1,088
Dec 25, 2009 11:51am
Yeah, if that ever happens he may suddenly switch to push for a playoff.
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Footwedge
Posts: 9,265
Dec 25, 2009 2:58pm
These things have a habit of evening out. Last year, the PAC 10 rolled through everybody during bowl season....unbeaten. This year, Oreon State and Cal got curb stomped.
This bodes well for the underdog Buckeyes in the Rose Bowl.
I look for the Big 10 to make amends for their poor showing over the past few bowl seasons.
This bodes well for the underdog Buckeyes in the Rose Bowl.
I look for the Big 10 to make amends for their poor showing over the past few bowl seasons.