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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 22, 2013 11:38am
Dynamics are not even close to the same. And how long did it take to find the DC sniper?gut;1431321 wrote:It actually is a pretty good comparison when you consider all the relative factors. It's not like they were searching 100k unoccupied homes, or dealing with a network of tunnels and caves.
Or if you want to talk about searches for the DC sniper, or even escaped convicts...much larger areas and far, far fewer people out looking.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 22, 2013 11:40am
If anything, it strengthens the argument on the pro-gun side, that no laws will stop criminals from getting guns.Benny The Jet;1431322 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-valid-handgun-licenses-234648018.html
How is this even news? I hate the media sometimes. Basically they're saying that they didn't have license to carry their handguns. Here's a shocker, criminals who blow places/people up aren't going to go and register for a gun. Did they register for a license to make bombs? A license to kill? The media and gov. trying to push their agendas any chance they get. On the flip side, if they HAD been registered to carry, I'm betting the headline would have been "Gun loving NRA members go crazy and on a rampage!" Idiots.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Apr 22, 2013 11:48am
I believe it was around 20 days.WebFire;1431346 wrote:Dynamics are not even close to the same. And how long did it take to find the DC sniper?
DC-metro is 5,500 square miles and 5.7 million people.
Fab4Runner
Posts: 6,196
Apr 22, 2013 12:01pm
I followed the news and the police scanner all day Friday, but attended a wedding that evening so I missed most of the action. We were all very glad to hear they found him and that he was alive. We had a toast for the bride and groom and a toast to Boston/'Merica, though the 2nd one was mostly just the drunkest people who were out on the dance floor.
I actually told several of my friends on the way to the church that my guess was he had found a little hiding spot and had fallen asleep after being awake for who knows how long. I wasn't too far off.
I actually told several of my friends on the way to the church that my guess was he had found a little hiding spot and had fallen asleep after being awake for who knows how long. I wasn't too far off.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 22, 2013 1:22pm
Shouldn't have taken anytime at all if they weren't supposed to search any of them. Right?gut;1431228 wrote:It's 50 homes per 2000 teams of 4. Very doable.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 22, 2013 1:34pm
White House says he will not be charged as an enemy combatant.
Charged with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction.
Charged with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 22, 2013 2:39pm
Glenn Beck releases some info on the Saudi that was deported. Check this out...
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/22/beck-breaks-exclusive-information-on-saudi-national-allegedly-connected-to-boston-bombings/
http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-we-know-the-saudi-national-was-involved-in-the-bombing/?utm_source=feedly
My alma mater might be famous for something!Sources say the Saudi’s student visa specifically allows him to go to school in Findlay, Ohio, though he appears to have an apartment in Boston, Massachusetts
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/22/beck-breaks-exclusive-information-on-saudi-national-allegedly-connected-to-boston-bombings/
http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-we-know-the-saudi-national-was-involved-in-the-bombing/?utm_source=feedly
tk421
Posts: 8,500
Apr 22, 2013 3:33pm
It's too bad there isn't a law that makes this illegal. Oh, wait a minute...Benny The Jet;1431322 wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/boston-bombing-suspects-did-not-valid-handgun-licenses-234648018.html
How is this even news? I hate the media sometimes. Basically they're saying that they didn't have license to carry their handguns. Here's a shocker, criminals who blow places/people up aren't going to go and register for a gun. Did they register for a license to make bombs? A license to kill? The media and gov. trying to push their agendas any chance they get. On the flip side, if they HAD been registered to carry, I'm betting the headline would have been "Gun loving NRA members go crazy and on a rampage!" Idiots.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 22, 2013 4:04pm
I assume that sort of thing happens A LOT with illegals disappearing after their visa is up. Well, it's estimated 300k people overstay their visa every year, not sure how many of those disappear.WebFire;1431489 wrote:Glenn Beck releases some info on the Saudi that was deported. Check this out...
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 22, 2013 4:46pm
Sorry if this has already been posted, just saw tamerlan is being looked into for an unsolved triple homicide in Waltham from 2011 involving one of his former boxing sparring partners.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 22, 2013 4:57pm
I read in between the lines in an article the other day how mysterious those 3 deaths were (it wasn't a main part of the article) and while the article wasn't trying to implicate him, the inference was definitely there to be had.Mulva;1431557 wrote:Sorry if this has already been posted, just saw tamerlan is being looked into for an unsolved triple homicide in Waltham from 2011 involving one of his former boxing sparring partners.
reclegend22
Posts: 8,772
Apr 22, 2013 8:59pm
It might have been nice if the Boston PD would have looked into him more closely at the time. If they end up piecing that case together quickly and pin him for it, then that will raise some questions as to why he wasn't questioned in 2011, especially considering that he was a former FBI target for possible terrorism and his sparring partner ends up dead in a triple homicide. Sounds like someone you might look into.Mulva;1431557 wrote:Sorry if this has already been posted, just saw tamerlan is being looked into for an unsolved triple homicide in Waltham from 2011 involving one of his former boxing sparring partners.
Glory Days
Posts: 7,809
Apr 23, 2013 1:29am
4 is a little thin. 8 is better and even the minimum for some agencies, especially when dealing with someone as willing to die as this guy was. and dont forget, there is rest time, officers setting boundries and perimeters that arent doing any searching.gut;1431228 wrote:It's 50 homes per 2000 teams of 4. Very doable.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 23, 2013 2:02am
There's a video where they evacuated a house and searched all, like 12, people in it. Took 6 minutes. Looks to be about a team of 8. Every pic I've seen from the whole thing is handfuls of officers standing around picking their nose. But that is beside the point.Glory Days;1431880 wrote:4 is a little thin. 8 is better and even the minimum for some agencies, especially when dealing with someone as willing to die as this guy was. and dont forget, there is rest time, officers setting boundries and perimeters that arent doing any searching.
The simple fact remains, manhunt/missing person/escaped convict or whatever, they had it pinpointed to a relatively tiny location. That's why the lockdown and search were even feasible in the first place.
OSH
Posts: 4,145
Apr 23, 2013 2:08am
Some first-hand stills of pics taken during the 1am shootout between the suspects and the police.
Amazing.
http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures
Amazing.
http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Apr 23, 2013 5:09am
OSH;1431886 wrote:Some first-hand stills of pics taken during the 1am shootout between the suspects and the police.
Amazing.
http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures
I was following AFitz on twitter that night. But some of those he didnt tweet that night. Crazy pics
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 23, 2013 8:43am
So the older brother ran at the cops in a suicidal raid; so that the younger brother could get away?OSH;1431886 wrote:Some first-hand stills of pics taken during the 1am shootout between the suspects and the police.
Amazing.
http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/7743337-boston-bombing-suspect-shootout-pictures
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Apr 23, 2013 8:47am
I get trying them for exploding a bomb, but really a WMD?GoChiefs;1431444 wrote:White House says he will not be charged as an enemy combatant.
Charged with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction.
So, pressure cooker bombs are WMDs?
That is some blurring lines there on what else could be WMDs.
Could a grenade be a WMD? Or, how about a pipe bomb too?
Let's leave WMDs to the three classes: Chemical, Bio, and Nuclear.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 23, 2013 8:52am
Seriously? Why don't you go join their fucking bandwagon while you're at it.ptown_trojans_1;1431917 wrote:I get trying them for exploding a bomb, but really a WMD?
So, pressure cooker bombs are WMDs?
That is some blurring lines there on what else could be WMDs.
Could a grenade be a WMD? Or, how about a pipe bomb too?
Let's leave WMDs to the three classes: Chemical, Bio, and Nuclear.
Isn't a WMD a weapon of mass destruction? Dropping a fucking bomb in a crowded group of people isn't a weapon of mass destruction?
I get these guys didn't shoot a nuke at Watertown, MA. But to be upset they are being charged with WMD's? GTFOOHWTS!
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 23, 2013 8:57am
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/eleven-most-mystifying-things-tsarnaev-brothers-did
Worst terrorists ever?
Worst terrorists ever?
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Apr 23, 2013 9:00am
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weapon+of+mass+destruction?s=tSportsAndLady;1431921 wrote:Seriously? Why don't you go join their fucking bandwagon while you're at it.
Isn't a WMD a weapon of mass destruction? Dropping a fucking bomb in a crowded group of people isn't a weapon of mass destruction?
I get these guys didn't shoot a nuke at Watertown, MA. But to be upset they are being charged with WMD's? GTFOOHWTS!
a weapon that kills or injures civilian as well as military personnel(nuclear and chemical and biological weapons)
I think Ptown is using the traditional definition of weapon of mass destruction.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 23, 2013 9:03am
Who cares though? Lol he's almost upset that they are being charged w/ WMD's. It's like the idiots who are mad he wasn't read his miranda rights. Who gives a fuck????FatHobbit;1431925 wrote:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/weapon+of+mass+destruction?s=t
aweaponthatkillsorinjurescivilianaswellasmilitarypersonnel(nuclearandchemicalandbiologicalweapons)
I think Ptown is using the traditional definition of weapon of mass destruction.
FatHobbit
Posts: 8,651
Apr 23, 2013 9:08am
I think he is just being technical. Although I'm not sure I like them expanding the definition of WMD's.SportsAndLady;1431926 wrote:Who cares though? Lol he's almost upset that they are being charged w/ WMD's. It's like the idiots who are mad he wasn't read his miranda rights. Who gives a fuck????
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Apr 23, 2013 9:12am
Correct, legally and traditionally, a WMD is a chemical, bio, or nuclear weapon.FatHobbit;1431929 wrote:I think he is just being technical. Although I'm not sure I like them expanding the definition of WMD's.
Let's just call the bombing what it was, a bomb. It wasn't a WMD in the classic sense, it was a bomb.
The dude should be locked up and then sent to death, and he will, but I'm not a fan of expanding the usage of WMD.
That language should be reversed for the worst of the worst weapons. Sorry for my narrow application of the word.
GoChiefs
Posts: 16,754
Apr 23, 2013 9:27am
ptown_trojans_1;1431930 wrote:Correct, legally and traditionally, a WMD is a chemical, bio, or nuclear weapon.
Let's just call the bombing what it was, a bomb. It wasn't a WMD in the classic sense, it was a bomb.
The dude should be locked up and then sent to death, and he will, but I'm not a fan of expanding the usage of WMD.
That language should be reversed for the worst of the worst weapons. Sorry for my narrow application of the word.
Technically, that is not all a WMD can be labeled as.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2332a
(2) the term “weapon of mass destruction” means—
(A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
Go to section 921.....
(4) The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;