iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Apr 19, 2013 9:08pm
Legally maybe, in real life no, he's not an American. When you blow up innocent people with no regard to human kind your rights are revoked. Terrorists do not get protection...Automatik;1430048 wrote:If he's naturalized then yes, he is American.
He spent the majority of his life here as well. Regardless, he will get what he deserves.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 19, 2013 9:09pm
I was talking legally. There are still laws, rules, and protocol to follow. You can't just throw everything out the window.iclfan2;1430060 wrote:Legally maybe, in real life no, he's not an American. When you blow up innocent people with no regard to human kind your rights are revoked. Terrorists do not get protection...
Like I said....this fuckhead will get his.
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ou1980
Posts: 877
Apr 19, 2013 9:09pm
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 19, 2013 9:10pm
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MontyBrunswick
Apr 19, 2013 9:10pm
A citizen is a citizen.LJ;1430044 wrote:McVey didn't receive citizenship less than a year before bombing.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 19, 2013 9:11pm
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 19, 2013 9:11pm
Good job to all law enforcement involved. It seemed they really had their shit together (other then letting him get free to begin with, but that was so early in it). Most impressive was all levels working so well together. That isn't that common anymore.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 19, 2013 9:12pm
They are reporting he was injured in the shoot out last night.
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 19, 2013 9:13pm
No it's not.dlazz;1430069 wrote:A citizen is a citizen.
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MontyBrunswick
Apr 19, 2013 9:14pm
In the eyes of the law, yes it is.LJ;1430074 wrote:No it's not.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 19, 2013 9:15pm
dlazz;1430076 wrote:In the eyes of the law, yes it is.
No, its not
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Apr 19, 2013 9:15pm
Oh look. Now the OC is back to normal.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 19, 2013 9:15pm
Makes it even more bizarre that he got away for so long.WebFire;1430072 wrote:They are reporting he was injured in the shoot out last night.
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Apr 19, 2013 9:16pm
I'm pretty fired up right now. I can't believe how quickly this went down.
I need to get some beers.
I need to get some beers.
gorocks99
Posts: 10,760
Apr 19, 2013 9:16pm
WebFire;1430071 wrote:Good job to all law enforcement involved. It seemed they really had their shit together (other then letting him get free to begin with, but that was so early in it). Most impressive was all levels working so well together. That isn't that common anymore.
+1
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MontyBrunswick
Apr 19, 2013 9:17pm
Did LJ and you go to community college and get degrees in [everything] together?SportsAndLady;1430078 wrote:No, its not
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 19, 2013 9:17pm
No, it's notdlazz;1430076 wrote:In the eyes of the law, yes it is.
There are several reasons why a naturalized US citizen could lose his or her US citizenship. We feel it’s important to summarize these reasons. As a naturalized citizen, you went to all the trouble to get your US citizenship in the first place. We’d hate to see you lose it merely because you did something wrong you did not know about.
Membership in Subversive Groups: Your citizenship may be revoked if the U.S. government can prove that you joined a subversive organization within five years of becoming a naturalized citizen. Membership in such organizations is considered a violation of the oath of U.S. allegiance. Examples include the Nazi Party and Al Qaeda.
There are caveats to being a naturalized citizen vs natural born. A Federal judge can revoke a naturalized citizen's citizanship, they cannot revoke a natural born citizen's citizenship. If they declare an enemy combatant working with the Chechen Militants, he will no longer be a citizen.
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Tiernan
Posts: 13,021
Apr 19, 2013 9:19pm
Wicked cool Bahstan!
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Apr 19, 2013 9:19pm
I can't believe this is where this thread is going to go, but do you think, say, the Newtown Shooter who killed more people should not have been tried through the criminal justice system and provided due process of law had he not been killed??GoChiefs;1430046 wrote:Fuck him. He gave up his rights when he decided to kill three people by planting a fucking bomb at the finish line of the Boston Marathon. He has no rights.
The criminal justice system will be plenty adequate as it would have been prior to all of the new terrorism laws prior to 9/11.
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Apr 19, 2013 9:19pm
I expected them to be identified pretty quick. Never imagined they would get them so fast.Automatik;1430082 wrote:I'm pretty fired up right now. I can't believe how quickly this went down.
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MontyBrunswick
Apr 19, 2013 9:19pm
LJ;1430084 wrote: If they declare an enemy combatant working with the Chechen Militants, he will no longer be a citizen.
They'd have to prove it, which would be challenging unless he flat out admits it. The PATRIOT act might carve out exceptions for "acts of terror" though which I never thought of until I read your previous post.
SportsAndLady
Posts: 35,632
Apr 19, 2013 9:20pm
dlazz;1430085 wrote:Did LJ and you go to community college and get degrees in [everything] together?
No..
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 19, 2013 9:20pm
Just dropping by to remind people to keep civil.
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BoatShoes
Posts: 5,703
Apr 19, 2013 9:20pm
Why bother with having to prove to a federal judge that he is an enemy combatant and everything that goes with it when you could just prosecute him as a naturalized citizen and he will surely be convicted?LJ;1430084 wrote:No, it's not
There are caveats to being a naturalized citizen vs natural born. A Federal judge can revoke a naturalized citizen's citizanship, they cannot revoke a natural born citizen's citizenship. If they declare an enemy combatant working with the Chechen Militants, he will no longer be a citizen.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Apr 19, 2013 9:21pm
Neither did I, but I also wouldn't have expected 10,000 cops and a lockdown of the city. Pretty crazy lengths.gut;1430089 wrote:I expected them to be identified pretty quick. Never imagined they would get them so fast.