justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 17, 2013 10:20pm
This is what people are willing to give up liberty to "prevent?" I'll never understand it.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 17, 2013 10:20pm
Go live in Israel for a few years where suicide bombers are the norm. You might get a little bit of a different perspective.justincredible;1427792 wrote:Get used to more of this. Unfortunately it seems like a lot of you would welcome it. ****. That.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 17, 2013 10:21pm
Bingo. Let's not act like this is republican/democrat issue.Con_Alma;1427803 wrote:I do. I think we have an obligation to do so. I think any known terrorist group left unchecked would open the door to many dangerous scenarios. Seems as if multiple administrations agree.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 17, 2013 10:21pm
No. Suicide bombers are not the norm here and never will be. Are you serious with this?lhslep134;1427812 wrote:Go live in Israel for a few years where suicide bombers are the norm. You might get a little bit of a different perspective.
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Apr 17, 2013 10:22pm
Suicide bombers are the norm in Israel? Welp, better let big brother check my bag in the street here in America.lhslep134;1427812 wrote:Go live in Israel for a few years where suicide bombers are the norm. You might get a little bit of a different perspective.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 17, 2013 10:23pm
Yeah, I really have no idea what he was trying to get at with that.hasbeen;1427817 wrote:Suicide bombers are the norm in Israel? Welp, better let big brother check my bag in the street here in America.
majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Apr 17, 2013 10:25pm
Never liked this right/privilege thought. I prefer this:Pick6;1427735 wrote:Riding a plane is a privilege, not a right.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Apr 17, 2013 10:26pm
lhslep134;1427813 wrote:Bingo. Let's not act like this is republican/democrat issue.
You will see that most disagreeing with you are neither democrats or republicans and have equal disdain for both parties.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 17, 2013 10:27pm
They are the same damn party. They disagree on, what, three of four issues?lhslep134;1427813 wrote:Bingo. Let's not act like this is republican/democrat issue.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 17, 2013 10:29pm
The threat of a suicide bomber in Israel is a constant, everyday thing, that's what I was getting at.justincredible;1427814 wrote:No. Suicide bombers are not the norm here and never will be. Are you serious with this?
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 17, 2013 10:30pm
80% of the chatter is nuts. How could anyone think that is a good idea?
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 17, 2013 10:30pm
What does Israel have to do with MPs checking papers in the US?lhslep134;1427827 wrote:The threat of a suicide bomber in Israel is a constant, everyday thing, that's what I was getting at.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 17, 2013 10:32pm
DeyDurkie5;1427828 wrote:80% of the chatter is nuts. How could anyone think that is a good idea?
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 17, 2013 10:33pm
I disagree with some of what he is espousing and I have no party affinity at all.pmoney25;1427824 wrote:You will see that most disagreeing with you are neither democrats or republicans and have equal disdain for both parties.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 17, 2013 10:33pm
I guess I should have clarified. I was only speaking to the current level of "big brotherness" that occurs, not advocating for anything heightened.justincredible;1427819 wrote:Yeah, I really have no idea what he was trying to get at with that.
In my defense, what you're advocating is that if anything is heightened we should be expecting to be randomly searched on the street when that is just as absurd of a thought than anything the opposition is advocating. It's simply not going to happen.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 17, 2013 10:35pm
Because you're bitching about the cops doing stuff that they don't do in Israel, where suicide bombers are exponentially more prevalent.justincredible;1427830 wrote:What does Israel have to do with MPs checking papers in the US?
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 17, 2013 10:36pm
Who is talking about suicide bombers?lhslep134;1427836 wrote:Because you're bitching about the cops doing stuff that they don't do in Israel, where suicide bombers are exponentially more prevalent.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 17, 2013 10:38pm
This is still completely irrelevant to my post.lhslep134;1427836 wrote:Because you're bitching about the cops doing stuff that they don't do in Israel, where suicide bombers are exponentially more prevalent.
chicago510
Posts: 5,728
Apr 17, 2013 10:38pm
Hate to be a Debbie downer but I came
to this thread looking for investigation updates and all I got was politics forum. Am I the only one? Not that it isn't a reasonable debate, but it has its time and place.
to this thread looking for investigation updates and all I got was politics forum. Am I the only one? Not that it isn't a reasonable debate, but it has its time and place.
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Apr 17, 2013 10:40pm
I'll summarize my point for you to simplify:Con_Alma;1427837 wrote:Who is talking about suicide bombers?
Heightened security/more inconvenience: less terror attacks
Lesser security/less inconvenience: more terror attacks
That is a gross oversimplification of the issues at work but you clearly don't get my point unless I explain it like that.
EDIT: I'm not saying Israel's security is more lax than the U.S. I'm saying it's more lax than the U.S. would be if we were in a constant war zone like Israel.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Apr 17, 2013 10:40pm
How can you talk about this and not have a political belief to this on the internet?chicago510;1427842 wrote:Hate to be a Debbie downer but I came
to this thread looking for investigation updates and all I got was politics forum. Am I the only one? Not that it isn't a reasonable debate, but it has its time and place.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Apr 17, 2013 10:41pm
I personally agree with you. But it's tough to untie situations like this from politics.chicago510;1427842 wrote:Hate to be a Debbie downer but I came
to this thread looking for investigation updates and all I got was politics forum. Am I the only one? Not that it isn't a reasonable debate, but it has its time and place.
pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Apr 17, 2013 10:41pm
chicago510;1427842 wrote:Hate to be a Debbie downer but I came
to this thread looking for investigation updates and all I got was politics forum. Am I the only one? Not that it isn't a reasonable debate, but it has its time and place.
I agree.
justincredible
Posts: 32,056
Apr 17, 2013 10:42pm
I can split the thread if it really needs it but there isn't really a lot of news on the event coming in at the moment.
Fly4Fun
Posts: 7,730
Apr 17, 2013 10:42pm
You can talk about the facts of the situation without getting into the spin that each side is going to put on it to further their own agenda.DeyDurkie5;1427849 wrote:How can you talk about this and not have a political belief to this on the internet?