Azubuike24;1459397 wrote: I guess if he's listening to the wrong people or if his "people" are pissing off NBA teams, that's one thing. Does that really reflect on his character or work ethic for a team?

Just because it doesn't reflect on his work ethic doesn't mean it's not a concern for NBA teams...

Also if you're picking someone at #1 because of work ethic. Then you're probably going about the process wrong. Work ethic is great but if that was the deciding factor,you'd probably take Victor.

I swear to god if we pick Len I will be pissed. I am (probably) 100% wrong but somebody please show me a college center who had .4 steals per , and as shitty of stats as him who ended up being an all star. I don't think there have been any. I hate drafting people because they are big and more polished at 19. The most growth occurs in the NBA anyways. I want a kid who is going to become a force when he's 25. Screw the lets make the 8th seed and lose first round and ruin our rebuilding bc one player might be out til Christmas and the other isn't. I know its hard to teach size, but it's hard to teach somebody to average 4 blocks per game too. It's also hard to teach a big man to have softer hands and to average 2.5 steals a game. We need Noel. We need a shot blocker who can guard the perimeter when KI and Dion get blown by (which happens a lot)

ohiobucks1;1459480 wrote:I swear to god if we pick Len I will be pissed. I am (probably) 100% wrong but somebody please show me a college center who had .4 steals per , and as ****ty of stats as him who ended up being an all star. I don't think there have been any. I hate drafting people because they are big and more polished at 19. The most growth occurs in the NBA anyways. I want a kid who is going to become a force when he's 25. Screw the lets make the 8th seed and lose first round and ruin our rebuilding bc one player might be out til Christmas and the other isn't. I know its hard to teach size, but it's hard to teach somebody to average 4 blocks per game too. It's also hard to teach a big man to have softer hands and to average 2.5 steals a game. We need Noel. We need a shot blocker who can guard the perimeter when KI and Dion get blown by (which happens a lot)

Lens stats are definitely mis leading. He had possibly one of the worse guards in the NCAA passing him the ball. Len also put up 23 points against Noel last year

Crimson streak;1459486 wrote:Lens stats are definitely mis leading. He had possibly one of the worse guards in the NCAA passing him the ball. Len also put up 23 points against Noel last year

Fair

Midstate01;1459429 wrote:Also if you're picking someone at #1 because of work ethic. Then you're probably going about the process wrong. Work ethic is great but if that was the deciding factor,you'd probably take Victor.

Which is definitely true. He's not in the running for #1 because of work ethic. However, work ethic and attitude can be a tiebreaking factor...and I don't get how those are knocks. If someone is hesitant to pick Noel because as of this week, he only weighs 220 lbs (legit concern, even after putting on some weight after losing some during the injury) and isn't anything but potential offensively, I'll buy that. Citing "character issues" is not only incorrect, but the opposite is true. People may say I'm biased as a UK fan, but as much as observers can really gauge this type of thing, I think it was backed up in his play on the court...

I have maintained like many others though, if we're talking Ben McLemore, Nerlens Noel, Alex Len or Victor Oladipo as a NUMBER ONE PICK, it's a lose-lose situation for the team picking there unless they can manage to swing a beneficial trade. I can definitely see teams at 3-5 doing what it takes to get "their guy" to drop, considering the top 5 picks are all about even, and all have risks. If I'm a team like Washington at 3 who really wants a big man, I'm sure as hell doing what I can to make sure one is there at 3.

ohiobucks1;1459480 wrote:I swear to god if we pick Len I will be pissed. I am (probably) 100% wrong but somebody please show me a college center who had .4 steals per , and as shitty of stats as him who ended up being an all star. I don't think there have been any. I hate drafting people because they are big and more polished at 19. The most growth occurs in the NBA anyways. I want a kid who is going to become a force when he's 25. Screw the lets make the 8th seed and lose first round and ruin our rebuilding bc one player might be out til Christmas and the other isn't. I know its hard to teach size, but it's hard to teach somebody to average 4 blocks per game too. It's also hard to teach a big man to have softer hands and to average 2.5 steals a game. We need Noel. We need a shot blocker who can guard the perimeter when KI and Dion get blown by (which happens a lot)

Amazingly, only about 3 or 4 of the bottom 25 were more than scrubs in the league...and I'm counting like Todd Fuller and Ryan Hollins as 2 of the better ones...

Pick6;1459601 wrote:

I was going to post this. 4 guaranteed Hall of famers on the left. 0 on the right

There's 6 other guys on the left (excluding the obvious HOF'ers DRob, Shaq, The Dream) in Brad Miller, Nazr Mohammed, Joakim Noah, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe and Christian Laettner who are all good (a few could end up being very good/great).

From RCF:

Originally Posted by UMDSportsForm
I don't care what the experts say.... why would anyone throw their lottery pick away on him? Y'all he sux. He has improved, he has potential, etc. etc. But not that much potential. He plays like such a ***** sometimes.




Originally Posted by someone else
Yeah, if he did not start the season with a big showing against Kentucky a doubt we would be talking Len to the NBA now. He's basically had 2 good games this year minus the cupcakes we played to start the season. Nothing like watching a 7'1" center fade away on 95% of his contested shots.




Originally Posted by bitter UMD fan
How did those players work out?

I will just be shocked when it happens...and even more shocked if he ever goes on to average more than 2ppg in the NBA. My goodness, think about the difference in caliber of play between the declining college game and the NBA. The dude is not even 3rd team ACC.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/story/NBA-Report-Interest-strong-at-lottery-to?blockID=914065&feedID=3725

SMH Oden

Commander of Awesome;1461275 wrote:http://www.foxsportsohio.com/nba/cleveland-cavaliers/story/NBA-Report-Interest-strong-at-lottery-to?blockID=914065&feedID=3725

SMH Oden

Wasn't he supposed to sign in Miami LASToffseason?

My Facebook blew up with talk of shawn merion and #13 talk but is saw nothing on twitter. Did I miss something?

I saw last week that we were offered Marion and 13 for the 2 second rounders and turned it down. Maybe that heated back up.

I found this looking for more on the Marion rumors. This had better not be fucking true.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/21/mock-draft-6-0-cavs-love-len-and-can-get-shawn-marion/

Mulva;1461345 wrote:I found this looking for more on the Marion rumors. This had better not be ****ing true.

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/21/mock-draft-6-0-cavs-love-len-and-can-get-shawn-marion/

Yea they finally posted a link and it was this one. If they pick len ill be pissed. We will get laughed at for years when he sucks balls.

But id do that deal with the mavs over and over.

I dont want len at all. So just pick noel. Please!!

Midstate01;1461409 wrote:I dont want len at all. So just pick noel. Please!!

This

Have been hearing Len will be the pick. Also, as mentioned, either Marion or Paul Pierce coming to Cleveland.

I doubt they take Len. Probably just some pre draft smoke screen.

It's Noel or McLemore. Or a trade.

SportsAndLady;1461474 wrote:I doubt they take Len. Probably just some pre draft smoke screen.

It's Noel or McLemore. Or a trade.

Mclemore after yesterday's work outs pretty much got dropped off their list. He wasn't putting forth s very good effort and I doubt that sits well with grant

Crimson streak;1461509 wrote:Mclemore after yesterday's work outs pretty much got dropped off their list. He wasn't putting forth s very good effort and I doubt that sits well with grant

Sounds like thats how its been on all his workouts. Said he was heavy and didnt work very hard.

Midstate01;1461511 wrote:Sounds like thats how its been on all his workouts. Said he was heavy and didnt work very hard.

That's what I heard too. Sounds like they like Len due to him having the best overall game of the big men. Actually heard him compared to a young (somewhat healthy) Zydrunas.

BR1986FB;1461521 wrote:That's what I heard too. Sounds like they like Len due to him having the best overall game of the big men. Actually heard him compared to a young (somewhat healthy) Zydrunas.

If he turns out to be a more athletic z then Len at the first pick is good enough for me. I think he's a little more physical than z was though