Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Mar 4, 2013 8:16pm
In the school district I work in we're having a big problem with bullying online. We had a board meeting about it and the parents are up in arms at the fact that the teachers and admin aren't doing anything about it. I can see where they're coming from since its stemming from one student to another, but as a teacher I feel it should be the parents job to monitor it if its happening at home. What's your thoughts?
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 4, 2013 8:30pm
I'm not sure how - or why - teachers would be responsible for what kids do away from school.
Even parents could suspend their kid's access, but that wouldn't prevent them from using a friend's computer.
Even parents could suspend their kid's access, but that wouldn't prevent them from using a friend's computer.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Mar 4, 2013 8:35pm
I don't think teachers/schools have any business (let alone responsibility) to regulate what students do outside of school hours and property.
ernest_t_bass
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Mar 4, 2013 8:36pm
Mulva;1400116 wrote:I don't think teachers/schools have any business (let alone responsibility) to regulate what students do outside of school hours and property.
Unless it disrupts the educational process.
Mulva
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Mar 4, 2013 8:39pm
A little confused. Example?ernest_t_bass;1400117 wrote:Unless it disrupts the educational process.
hasbeen
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Mar 4, 2013 8:40pm
Maybe if all 8th graders didn't have an iPhone it would be less likely they're on social media during school.
Teachers/Administrators can not and should be asked to monitor the personal devices parents provide for their children.
Teachers/Administrators can not and should be asked to monitor the personal devices parents provide for their children.
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gut
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Mar 4, 2013 8:54pm
Agreed, but I don't think any of us are actually addressing the question in the OP.hasbeen;1400122 wrote: Teachers/Administrators can not and should be asked to monitor the personal devices parents provide for their children.
More simply, when bullying between students (regardless of when/where) is brought to the attention of the school, what obligations should the school have? I don't think the school has to monitor what happens outside its walls/activities, but when evidence is presented should that kid be, say, suspended?
If you want to draw examples from the workplace, if I say or do something to a colleague outside of work I can lose my job due to a variety of conduct reasons.
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fan_from_texas
Posts: 2,693
Mar 4, 2013 8:59pm
What do the parents want the school to do? There are some constitutional limits to what can be done on 1st A. issues off school ground.
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Sonofanump
Mar 4, 2013 9:03pm
The biggest problem with schools is the parents of the children.
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Con_Alma
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Mar 4, 2013 9:04pm
How does "social media" come into play? If this occurred outside of school, face to face without social media being a part does the school have any responsibility to act?
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Con_Alma
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Mar 4, 2013 9:06pm
Public schools are an enormous entitlement that brings out the ultimate entitlement personas of many parents.Sonofanump;1400140 wrote:The biggest problem with schools is the parents of the children.
Rotinaj
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Mar 4, 2013 9:09pm
This is a great point. A lot of the parents are either oblivious or just don't care.Sonofanump;1400140 wrote:The biggest problem with schools is the parents of the children.
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gut
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Mar 4, 2013 9:10pm
Good point. Becomes an issue for law enforcement. And along those lines, I'm pretty sure cases centering around social media have made the same argument.Con_Alma;1400141 wrote:How does "social media" come into play? If this occurred outside of school, face to face without social media being a part does the school have any responsibility to act?
Really good point, actually. I don't think I see a real distinction - outside of school property it's not their problem. Although I certainly see things evolving to violations of a code of conduct, similar to the workplace. The distinction then becomes you have actual proof of the violation.
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gut
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Mar 4, 2013 9:12pm
That, or they'd rather have someone else take on the tougher parts of parenting (that's partly where sex ed comes from, because parents didn't want to have those awkward conversations).Rotinaj;1400146 wrote:This is a great point. A lot of the parents are either oblivious or just don't care.
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Con_Alma
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Mar 4, 2013 9:14pm
That's really sad.gut;1400151 wrote:That, or they'd rather have someone else take on the tougher parts of parenting (that's partly where sex ed comes from, because parents didn't want to have those awkward conversations).
hasbeen
Posts: 6,504
Mar 4, 2013 9:16pm
gut;1400132 wrote: don't think the school has to monitor what happens outside its walls/activities, but when evidence is presented should that kid be, say, suspended?
Suspending does very little for the educational process
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gut
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Mar 4, 2013 9:17pm
Well, we live in nanny state. Seems maybe the state should actually provide nannies!Con_Alma;1400152 wrote:That's really sad.
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gut
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Mar 4, 2013 9:17pm
Not an educational issue it's a disciplinary, perhaps a safety, issue. I'm not sure there's much argument that removing a disruptive kid benefits the educational process for the rest.hasbeen;1400154 wrote:Suspending does very little for the educational process
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Con_Alma
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Mar 4, 2013 9:18pm
Sounds like they are....schools!!! Maybe we should make it year around.gut;1400155 wrote:Well, we live in nanny state. Seems maybe the state should actually provide nannies!
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 4, 2013 9:20pm
I might be on to something here....Gubmit provided nannies could create like 30M jobs!Con_Alma;1400157 wrote:Sounds like they are....schools!!! Maybe we should make it year around.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Mar 4, 2013 9:21pm
Just print more money to cover the costs!!!gut;1400158 wrote:I might be on to something here....Gubmit provided nannies could create like 30M jobs!
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gut
Posts: 15,058
Mar 4, 2013 9:26pm
Yeah, but imagine the bitching when you get a crack whore for a nanny. Some people are just never satisfied.Con_Alma;1400160 wrote:Just print more money to cover the costs!!!
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Con_Alma
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Mar 4, 2013 9:29pm
Lol....are you sure their aren't any now?
ernest_t_bass
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Mar 4, 2013 9:35pm
ccrunner609;1400167 wrote:as a teacher and a parent that just went through the bullying of my daughter........most parents are clueless until little marie or Johny come home crying and then they expect everyone to bow down to them. Sad.
What happened?
Benny The Jet
Posts: 2,987
Mar 4, 2013 9:47pm
Here's one of the examples from our situation. Kid A who is typically a good student and gets good grades starts doing poorly in school and moping around school. Parents meet with teacher and tell them Kid A is being bullied online by Kid B who goes to school with them. Kid B just ignores Kid A at school but is messing with him online. Parents think school needs to step in because they're both students at the school and it's hurting Kid A's grades.