Schindler of Schindler's list should have been jailed and held with due process too I guess. Lt. Calley's whistleblower should have been fried as well according to the purists here.

We don't get to pick and choose which laws will disregard.

Mr. Manning will be such an example.

believer;1396153 wrote:Manning broke the law and deserves jail time.

/thread

If bowing to the state trumps bowing to your savior's wishes than I would change your surname here. No true Christian could justify what is happening to Manning. And...conversely...what isn't happening to the perpetrators.

Come judgement day, who gets in? Manning? Or the helicopter pilots picking off people with high powered rifles? Somehow, in your view, war justifies breaking God's laws. Apparently, you're OK with that.

Con_Alma;1396519 wrote:We don't get to pick and choose which laws will disregard.

To stick with the Hitler reference, did that argument hold up for the guards at the concentration camps? Just because you are ordered to do something and it's "legal" doesn't mean it's right or you should do it.

FatHobbit;1396522 wrote:To stick with the Hitler reference, did that argument hold up for the guards at the concentration camps? Just because you are ordered to do something and it's "legal" doesn't mean it's right or you should do it.

We have already agreed collectively that morality/right wrong are not necessarily displayed in the law.

Mr. Manning had a choice to follow through with what he determined was right. There are costs associated with it.

Footwedge;1396521 wrote:If bowing to the state trumps bowing to your savior's wishes than I would change your surname here. No true Christian could justify what is happening to Manning. And...conversely...what isn't happening to the perpetrators.

Come judgement day, who gets in? Manning? Or the helicopter pilots picking off people with high powered rifles? Somehow, in your view, war justifies breaking God's laws. Apparently, you're OK with that.

If you are speaking about Christianity the actions or sins on earth are not what determines eternity with God the father.

Con_Alma;1396519 wrote:We don't get to pick and choose which laws will disregard.

Mr. Manning will be such an example.

And so on...

BoatShoes;1396262 wrote:Well, you often complain about how long my posts are and since several other posters simply wrote "He broke the law therefore he deservers jail" I could've gone into a long diatribe about how we might think of other instances when people broke the law and yet we didn't find them to be deserving of jail time or moral condemnation, etc.

Instead, I simply wrote the phrase that illustrates that some actions might be wrong simply because they're prohibited and not because they're wrong in and of themselves. And, as it happens, it seems that's how a lot of Bradley Manning supporters feel about this situation.

But then, you reply to my post and say "how unreasonable are you" an attack on me which is par for the course as it pertains to our conversations on this forum.

Consider yourself "lucky" BoatShoes. Normally he circumvents substance and goes straight to "you're a serial liar". It's the way he rolls as he hides behing the internet. Prob. had the crap kicked out of him throughout his high school life.

justincredible;1396525 wrote:





And so on...

Do as one feels is necessary but expect the consequences after so doing.

Con_Alma;1396524 wrote:If you are speaking about Christianity the actions or sins on earth are not what determines eternity with God the father.

If not earth, then where? In your mother's womb? LMAO. If accepting Jesus as Savior gives you a free pass to kill people, then I need to find a new religion.

Footwedge;1396535 wrote:If not earth, then where? In your mother's womb? LMAO. If accepting Jesus as Savior gives you a free pass to kill people, then I need to find a new religion.

Who said it gives you a free pass? You are as unable to sin as those who are carrying out the sin you are demonizing.

I'm just hopeful that the more we can argue these topics we can clearly see that the Rs and Ds are on the same side and the people are on the other. The faster we get over this left/right nonsense then maybe we will see the rise of an opponent to single party rule in this country.

Cleveland Buck;1396610 wrote:I'm just hopeful that the more we can argue these topics we can clearly see that the Rs and Ds are on the same side and the people are on the other. The faster we get over this left/right nonsense then maybe we will see the rise of an opponent to single party rule in this country.

Word.

Cleveland Buck;1396610 wrote:I'm just hopeful that the more we can argue these topics we can clearly see that the Rs and Ds are on the same side and the people are on the other. The faster we get over this left/right nonsense then maybe we will see the rise of an opponent to single party rule in this country.

Is this a D/R/ issue? What side are the D/Rs on? Maybe I don't understand the political ideological issues as it relates to Mr. Manning.

Democrats and Republicans alike want Manning's scalp for daring to expose the work of our overlords.

Con_Alma;1396524 wrote:If you are speaking about Christianity the actions or sins on earth are not what determines eternity with God the father.

this

Con_Alma;1396539 wrote:Who said it gives you a free pass? You are as unable to sin as those who are carrying out the sin you are demonizing.

Naw....Footwedge walks on water.

justincredible;1396525 wrote:




And so on...

Yeah, I'm sure King meant that states should have the right to disobey laws, or people like Manning, when they feel are unjust while writing in the Birmingham jai.
That is a joke of a picture. Totally takes what he wrote out of context.

Cleveland Buck;1396664 wrote:Democrats and Republicans alike want Manning's scalp for daring to expose the work of our overlords.

It's more than person's of political that would like him punished for breaking the law. I don't see the correlation to it being a party related desire.

It all depends on whether disobedience of the law has enough popular support for potential success. There is always risk and that risk is always great even with a significant amount of popular support. Then there are the acts of folly. Usually committed by deranged individuals where there is little or no hope for success in fostering any real political movement against the ruling government.

The founders had gained the support of a popular movement and wisely cast their lot as leaders of that movement and not like an individual with a vendetta that acts irrationally. Had their movement failed they would no doubt been hung as traitors. There was that risk. Had they failed we would read of these traitors in our history books. Bought with dollars with the queens image printed upon them. Benedict Arnold would be a national hero.

Bradley Manning strikes me as an individual acting with a personal vendetta. Likely has personal mental issues. Not someone I could get behind at all as some revolutionary hero. I do agree he is getting a raw deal. The classified information he released was only damaging to PR not the strategic nature. He should have had his day in court by now.