Will MLB ever get one set of rules?

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Feb 18, 2013 12:07 PM
Ridiculous that a league can't come to an agreement regarding the DH. No one wants to watch pitchers strike out or bunt 3-4 times a game. BORING.

If the NL wants to keep pitchers at the plate, perhaps they should form their own league and GTFO.
Feb 18, 2013 12:07pm
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Feb 18, 2013 12:13 PM
Nope. Tradition keeps the pitchers batting and the players union keeps the DH...to help lengthen careers.
Feb 18, 2013 12:13pm
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Feb 18, 2013 12:17 PM
wes_mantooth;1391518 wrote:Nope. Tradition keeps the pitchers batting and the players union keeps the DH...to help lengthen careers.
The NFL should go back to leather helmets; tradition is the dumbest thing ever and I can't wait for the baby boomers to die off.
Feb 18, 2013 12:17pm
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Feb 18, 2013 1:07 PM
You don't even like baseball do you?

I like both.

When the DH came about (1973?).....the amount of innings starting pitchers have thrown has went down ridiculously....and NL managers seem to not let their pitchers go as many innings, having to hit in a significant situation plays along with it.

The NL is a lot more strategy.
Feb 18, 2013 1:07pm
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Feb 18, 2013 1:24 PM
sleeper;1391514 wrote:Ridiculous that a league can't come to an agreement regarding the DH. No one wants to watch pitchers strike out or bunt 3-4 times a game. BORING.

If the NL wants to keep pitchers at the plate, perhaps they should form their own league and GTFO.
I love the DH rule...in general. The only problem with it is that some of the great pitchers going back in the day were great hitters, which should be a part of the equation.

Bob Gibson won a lot of his games with his stick. He wasn't a great hitting pitcher but a decent one. Jim Kaat tore the cover off the ball. Jim Palmer could rake.

Before my time, the record setting Indians of '54 had a staff full of good hitting pitchers.
Feb 18, 2013 1:24pm
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Feb 18, 2013 2:43 PM
I've got no problem with how it is now.
Feb 18, 2013 2:43pm
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Feb 18, 2013 2:45 PM
It allows different strategy for each league. From the games to the off-season.
Feb 18, 2013 2:45pm
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Feb 18, 2013 3:03 PM
What's ridiculous is that the original post states they can't come to an agreement. Not only can they come to an agreement but they have and it's the product that exists in MLB. The agreement is having both a DH and pitchers batting and they have clearly defined when each scenario will occur.
Feb 18, 2013 3:03pm
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Feb 18, 2013 3:15 PM
sleeper;1391514 wrote:Ridiculous that a league can't come to an agreement regarding the DH. No one wants to watch pitchers strike out or bunt 3-4 times a game. BORING.

If the NL wants to keep pitchers at the plate, perhaps they should form their own league and GTFO.
Just like no one wants to watch juiced-up 40-year-olds get a reprieve from having to downgrade themselves to being beer league softball superstars because the AL has a position where they don't have to field the ball (which is current an impossibility as all the roids have left their bodies so tattered that the act of bending over would cause four different muscles to completely rip off the bone) and can just swing for the fences every single time up?
Feb 18, 2013 3:15pm
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Feb 18, 2013 8:44 PM
sleeper;1391514 wrote:Ridiculous that a league can't come to an agreement regarding the DH. No one wants to watch pitchers strike out or bunt 3-4 times a game. BORING.

If the NL wants to keep pitchers at the plate, perhaps they should form their own league and GTFO.
NL games are incredibly boring. Teams play with basically 8 hitters and they work counts so much more it seems, compared to the AL where they just seem to let it rip. I've been to numerous Reds and Tigers games, the difference between the leagues is definitely noticeable. Obviously MLB players are MLB players, and yeah the NL doesn't suck, heck the Giants easily won the WS last year, but there's a reason the AL has had a better record in interleague play the last 9 seasons. Last year it was 142-110
Feb 18, 2013 8:44pm
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Feb 18, 2013 8:47 PM
Classyposter58;1391863 wrote:NL games are incredibly boring. Teams play with basically 8 hitters and they work counts so much more it seems, compared to the AL where they just seem to let it rip. I've been to numerous Reds and Tigers games, the difference between the leagues is definitely noticeable. Obviously MLB players are MLB players, and yeah the NL doesn't suck, heck the Giants easily won the WS last year, but there's a reason the AL has had a better record in interleague play the last 9 seasons. Last year it was 142-110
Well the NL does have a 7-6 WS advantage since 2000. So I guess the NL is better when it matters.
Feb 18, 2013 8:47pm
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Feb 18, 2013 8:53 PM
Classyposter58;1391863 wrote:NL games are incredibly boring. Teams play with basically 8 hitters and they work counts so much more it seems, compared to the AL where they just seem to let it rip. I've been to numerous Reds and Tigers games, the difference between the leagues is definitely noticeable. Obviously MLB players are MLB players, and yeah the NL doesn't suck, heck the Giants easily won the WS last year, but there's a reason the AL has had a better record in interleague play the last 9 seasons. Last year it was 142-110

What was the Houston Astros record in interleague play last year. With them moving to the AL I got a maj in that would even things out
Feb 18, 2013 8:53pm
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Feb 18, 2013 8:58 PM
gport_tennis;1391870 wrote:What was the Houston Astros record in interleague play last year. With them moving to the AL I got a maj in that would even things out
6-9
Feb 18, 2013 8:58pm
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Feb 18, 2013 9:00 PM
Footwedge;1391567 wrote:I love the DH rule...in general. The only problem with it is that some of the great pitchers going back in the day were great hitters, which should be a part of the equation.

Bob Gibson won a lot of his games with his stick. He wasn't a great hitting pitcher but a decent one. Jim Kaat tore the cover off the ball. Jim Palmer could rake.

Before my time, the record setting Indians of '54 had a staff full of good hitting pitchers.
I dont give a fuck about "back in they day"
Feb 18, 2013 9:00pm
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Feb 18, 2013 9:04 PM
wildcats20;1391865 wrote:Well the NL does have a 7-6 WS advantage since 2000. So I guess the NL is better when it matters.
Teams and leagues are pretty different.
Feb 18, 2013 9:04pm
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Feb 18, 2013 9:19 PM
Classyposter58;1391863 wrote:NL games are incredibly boring. Teams play with basically 8 hitters and they work counts so much more it seems, compared to the AL where they just seem to let it rip. I've been to numerous Reds and Tigers games, the difference between the leagues is definitely noticeable. Obviously MLB players are MLB players, and yeah the NL doesn't suck, heck the Giants easily won the WS last year, but there's a reason the AL has had a better record in interleague play the last 9 seasons. Last year it was 142-110

I disagree on working counts....the Yanks and Sox got that really going, the Giants jumped on that though. To me the AL jumps on more 1st pitches, but when they don't they work the count more than the NL.
Feb 18, 2013 9:19pm
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Feb 18, 2013 9:20 PM
sitting back and waiting for 2 or 3 run HRs is more exciting than stolen bases, hit and run, taking extra bases, etc?
Feb 18, 2013 9:20pm
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Feb 18, 2013 9:21 PM
wildcats20;1391865 wrote:Well the NL does have a 7-6 WS advantage since 2000. So I guess the NL is better when it matters.
I've labeled this the "SEC Fallacy". You are drawing a conclusion based on a small sample size while ignoring the far more relevant overall record. Best team does not equal best league.
Feb 18, 2013 9:21pm
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Feb 18, 2013 9:43 PM
karen lotz;1391896 wrote:sitting back and waiting for 2 or 3 run HRs is more exciting than stolen bases, hit and run, taking extra bases, etc?
For those who only watch highlights, yes.
Feb 18, 2013 9:43pm
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Feb 18, 2013 9:53 PM
The NL had 7 of the 8 lowest scoring teams in baseball last year. It goes a little beyond the highlights.
Feb 18, 2013 9:53pm
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Feb 18, 2013 10:24 PM
Had 5 of the top 10 too.
Feb 18, 2013 10:24pm
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Feb 18, 2013 11:01 PM
karen lotz;1391896 wrote:sitting back and waiting for 2 or 3 run HRs is more exciting than stolen bases, hit and run, taking extra bases, etc?

Fuck you, Lotz. I agree with you!
Feb 18, 2013 11:01pm
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Feb 18, 2013 11:53 PM
sleeper;1391523 wrote:The NFL should go back to leather helmets; tradition is the dumbest thing ever and I can't wait for the baby boomers to die off.
maybe they would stop diving head first at each other and dying from brain injuries if they did.
Feb 18, 2013 11:53pm
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Feb 19, 2013 7:19 AM
Glory Days;1391978 wrote:maybe they would stop diving head first at each other and dying from brain injuries if they did.
Yeah because I'd really love to sit down and watch a bunch of white guys fall over each other on the field. :rolleyes:
Feb 19, 2013 7:19am
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Feb 19, 2013 4:07 PM
karen lotz;1391896 wrote:sitting back and waiting for 2 or 3 run HRs is more exciting than stolen bases, hit and run, taking extra bases, etc?
Uh yes? Why do you think baseball got so big in the 90s? Because players were hitting homers at an unbelievable pace. Also you act like the AL doesn't have base stealers or the hit and run. They just don't have to rely on it so much because of the DH
Feb 19, 2013 4:07pm