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MontyBrunswick

Apr 11, 2013 9:08 PM
When I received the call to come in, I anticipated getting a job offer. The lady specifically said that it was an informal meeting and I didn't need to dress up, and that I was just "meeting a few people". I went against her advice and dressed up anyway, and it turned out to be a good move. It turned out to be another interview.

I really only asked what the hiring process was, how many other candidates there were, etc. They really didn't answer any of the questions I asked because they didn't know the answer. First interview was with the guy I am replacing, the director of the group, and the manager of the department. These guys were just the tech guys in the department.

I was pretty taken aback by it. The questions they asked were straight up right off of the question sheet the first round of interviewers asked. If they would've all gotten in a room and shared notes I could've saved myself a trip.

Oh well. I still hope I get it since it would be a sizable pay increase and increased responsibility.
Apr 11, 2013 9:08pm
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Apr 12, 2013 2:05 PM
dlazz;1423801 wrote:I went against her advice and dressed up anyway, and it turned out to be a good move. It turned out to be another interview.
Smart move. I hope for your sake they make a decision soon.
Apr 12, 2013 2:05pm
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MontyBrunswick

Apr 12, 2013 3:36 PM
I was hoping to have a decision from them this week, but I don't think that'll happen.
Apr 12, 2013 3:36pm
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Apr 12, 2013 3:48 PM
Kinda bullshit they would try to trick you imo. WTF were they trying to prove?
Apr 12, 2013 3:48pm
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Apr 12, 2013 4:09 PM
Well, an anticipated move to southeastern Ohio may have a kink in it.

I have 3 interviews lined up in the next two weeks: Kansas, Kentucky, and then southeastern Ohio (a different position, but same area I anticipated moving to). All this time, I haven't had a lot...and now I have numerous options.
Apr 12, 2013 4:09pm
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Apr 12, 2013 4:49 PM
dlazz;1423801 wrote:When I received the call to come in, I anticipated getting a job offer. The lady specifically said that it was an informal meeting and I didn't need to dress up, and that I was just "meeting a few people". I went against her advice and dressed up anyway, and it turned out to be a good move. It turned out to be another interview.

I really only asked what the hiring process was, how many other candidates there were, etc. They really didn't answer any of the questions I asked because they didn't know the answer. First interview was with the guy I am replacing, the director of the group, and the manager of the department. These guys were just the tech guys in the department.

I was pretty taken aback by it. The questions they asked were straight up right off of the question sheet the first round of interviewers asked. If they would've all gotten in a room and shared notes I could've saved myself a trip.

Oh well. I still hope I get it since it would be a sizable pay increase and increased responsibility.
Good move on the dressing up, although I think it's a bit bush league they tried to throw you for a loop like that. Hope it works out. Protip: Don't ask if their benefits package will cover a vasectomy until you 100% have the job. :laugh:


I'm still searching, now at a feverish pace...daily. I need to gtfo out of my current company. Shit is going south, no room to advance. It just blows. I'm heavily leaning to staying in NYC now. Jobs in Columbus were plentiful after the first of the year, but kinda dried up. Here I see hundreds posted everyday. I'm still not against OH, but I'm focusing the majority of my search to here. Someone will take the bait.
Apr 12, 2013 4:49pm
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MontyBrunswick

Apr 12, 2013 4:53 PM
Automatik;1424343 wrote:I'm still searching, now at a feverish pace...daily. I need to gtfo out of my current company. Shit is going south, no room to advance. It just blows.
Join the club. I am basically stuck where I'm at right now. I have almost no room for advancement, do not like the directory of the group, and generally just hate being there. I had this week off and really just wanted to keep to myself and stay away from that place. Going in on Monday is going to crush me.

What kind of work are you looking for? Columbus has jobs. I've been hitting OSU/government jobs really hard. OSU/OSUMC/OhioHealth/Nationwide always have a shit ton of jobs available.
Apr 12, 2013 4:53pm
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Apr 12, 2013 5:03 PM
dlazz;1423801 wrote:When I received the call to come in, I anticipated getting a job offer. The lady specifically said that it was an informal meeting and I didn't need to dress up, and that I was just "meeting a few people". I went against her advice and dressed up anyway, and it turned out to be a good move. It turned out to be another interview.
I'm going to go against the consensus here. Besides the suit/tie all but disappearing in the business world, "fit" can be a very arbitrary deciding factor. If I'm going for a second or follow-up interview, and am told it's biz casual (and I know from my first visit they are casual), that's what I would wear. To be fair, I wouldn't go all the way with shorts or even jeans (which could actually be a mistake).

Years ago, that was the big joke if you interviewed with P&G - the dress was suit with a blue oxford. I've even worn biz casual to first interviews with firms I knew to be very laid-back and casual - shows I've done some homework and have paid attention to the culture.

I know the age-old wisdom is you can never be overdressed for an interview. There are certainly at least some cases in today's business world where that is not true.
Apr 12, 2013 5:03pm
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Apr 12, 2013 5:05 PM
Automatik;1424343 wrote: I'm still searching, now at a feverish pace...daily. I need to gtfo out of my current company. Shit is going south, no room to advance. It just blows. I'm heavily leaning to staying in NYC now. Jobs in Columbus were plentiful after the first of the year, but kinda dried up. Here I see hundreds posted everyday. I'm still not against OH, but I'm focusing the majority of my search to here. Someone will take the bait.
Lot of people in ohio are afraid to make a move outside of the state that's why. Certainly not many people moving into Ohio.
Apr 12, 2013 5:05pm
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MontyBrunswick

Apr 12, 2013 5:09 PM
gut;1424353 wrote:I'm going to go against the consensus here. Besides the suit/tie all but disappearing in the business world, "fit" can be a very arbitrary deciding factor. If I'm going for a second or follow-up interview, and am told it's biz casual (and I know from my first visit they are casual), that's what I would wear. To be fair, I wouldn't go all the way with shorts or even jeans (which could actually be a mistake).
My initial interview I got suited up. The second go around, I just wore a dress shirt/pants and a tie.
Apr 12, 2013 5:09pm
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Apr 12, 2013 5:10 PM
chicago510;1423777 wrote:Did you ask him any questions? That always helps too.
Yeah, 10 minutes is never a good sign. If the guy clearly has better things to do, you can just save everyone the time. But the point of that was probably to provide the candidate an opportunity to ask questions. In many cases it's more important than your resume and the questions you answer.
Apr 12, 2013 5:10pm
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gut

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Apr 12, 2013 5:13 PM
dlazz;1424358 wrote:My initial interview I got suited up. The second go around, I just wore a dress shirt/pants and a tie.
I'd say that's generally fine, though I would have ditched the tie (unless that's what people wear).

LOL, I once had a guy to tell me to ditch the coat and tie. Besides being awkward, then I feel uncomfortable because I think dress slacks and white/blue interview shirt looks bad without at least a tie.
Apr 12, 2013 5:13pm
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MontyBrunswick

Apr 29, 2013 10:12 AM
Didn't hear from them for two weeks and then got confirmation from the office assistant that they had selected someone else.

Hiring manager was playing the ignoring game. I'd rather him just come out and say "no" rather than neglect my emails. Hate that shit.
Apr 29, 2013 10:12am
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Apr 29, 2013 10:36 AM
dlazz;1435529 wrote:Didn't hear from them for two weeks and then got confirmation from the office assistant that they had selected someone else.

Hiring manager was playing the ignoring game. I'd rather him just come out and say "no" rather than neglect my emails. Hate that shit.
I think it's pretty normal now for them not to respond to you. IMHO that's just fucking rude. But I read an article the other day that employers are afraid to respond because they could open themselves up to lawsuits. (People asked why they weren't hired and the employer responded they chose someone who was more qualified, but the interviewee worked with the person that was hired and they were more qualified.)
Apr 29, 2013 10:36am
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MontyBrunswick

Apr 29, 2013 10:45 AM
I think that's different, though. They should at least have the decency to say yes or no. Whether to tell them why they weren't selected should be optional.
Apr 29, 2013 10:45am
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Apr 29, 2013 11:17 AM
dlazz;1435548 wrote:I think that's different, though. They should at least have the decency to say yes or no. Whether to tell them why they weren't selected should be optional.
Totally agree - don't waste my time by leading me on thinking I still have a chance at the position.
Apr 29, 2013 11:17am
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Apr 30, 2013 7:41 AM
Sending out e -mail rejection is a coward way of not dealing with the hard reality of work place and demonstrates a lack of confidence in the hiring process and the one individual that has to speak for the company.
This type of BS is spineless .... That what we have today in business, politics and education, cowardly people and meaningless policy that don't build company character or employee confidence to handle the difficult jobs. Find the easy way out, with the less conflict and don&#8217;t take the time to help and support others. Out of respect a conversation and support of why you where not hired is IMO due to you. Why so you can build from this interview to succeed at the next job opportunity. </SPAN>
Apr 30, 2013 7:41am
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Apr 30, 2013 8:39 AM
Belly35;1435992 wrote:Out of respect a conversation and support of why you where not hired is IMO due to you. Why so you can build from this interview to succeed at the next job opportunity.
It's standard NOT to tell a person why they weren't hired. Has been since I've been in the job market.
Apr 30, 2013 8:39am
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Apr 30, 2013 9:49 AM
WebFire;1436016 wrote:It's standard NOT to tell a person why they weren't hired. Has been since I've been in the job market.

If I did everything via "standard" I would be dead today

Just because something is "standard" operational process doesn't make it right.

"Standard" are the minimum guideline set by non-achiever so everyone can be equal to make everyone feel good about themself.... anything above a beyond is achievement and pride. Which some people are clueless about.

That&#8217;s the problem with today do the minimum, do the political correct, do as little as possible, do what the Union tell you, do what is just required.... How about do your best and do more that someone else and let them play catch-up. This idea of non-competing or not making yourself better is bull-shit.</SPAN>

There are &#8220;standards&#8221; then there are &#8220;your expected higher standard&#8221; &#8230; </SPAN>
Apr 30, 2013 9:49am
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Apr 30, 2013 10:30 AM
Lol. Da fuq does the Union have to do with whether or not someone tells you why you were hired or not? Smh.
Apr 30, 2013 10:30am
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Apr 30, 2013 10:38 AM
GoChiefs;1436089 wrote:Lol. Da fuq does the Union have to do with whether or not someone tells you why you were hired or not? Smh.
Atleast he didn't blame Obama for once.
Apr 30, 2013 10:38am
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Apr 30, 2013 10:42 AM
WebFire;1436016 wrote:It's standard NOT to tell a person why they weren't hired. Has been since I've been in the job market.
Isn't the usual reason that they liked someone else better? If someone asks me what they can do to improve their chances in the future, I'm happy to try to help.

I'm old school in terms of informing all applicants that the position has been filled. No reason to waste anyone's time.
Apr 30, 2013 10:42am
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Manhattan Buckeye

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Apr 30, 2013 10:49 AM
I'm a bit confused, in our current economy when hundreds (if not thousands) of qualified applicants are looking for any sort of job what does anyone expect other than a form letter or email?
Apr 30, 2013 10:49am
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Apr 30, 2013 10:53 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;1436099 wrote:I'm a bit confused, in our current economy when hundreds (if not thousands) of qualified applicants are looking for any sort of job what does anyone expect other than a form letter or email?
I think these are fine for most applicants in those quantities. In the case of a finalist for the position, I still believe a personal communication is called for.
Apr 30, 2013 10:53am
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Apr 30, 2013 10:58 AM
Agreed if it there was eventually a face to face interview. That's probably the least a potential employer can do.

But the labor market generally is awful (not to take this to the politics forum) and I can imagine most employers being saturated with resumes. My (24 year old) sister in law is still in her first month at a job that two decades ago would only require a high school degree, but now employs a Master's graduate.
Apr 30, 2013 10:58am