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Feb 14, 2013 1:40pm
sleeper;1389196 wrote:So there is no truth only belief. Gotcha.
How many times must we state that faith or belief is the desired basis chosen by God?

I hope you do "got it". Yes, it's based on faith and faith alone. That has been presented numerous times.
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Feb 14, 2013 1:45pm
sleeper;1389216 wrote:Look at it again. Above 10% disbelief not below 10% disbelief.
Oh I misread that. My apologies.

If I had to guess, I'd probably say Canada, but I have no idea why. Canucks just always bugged me.

Was I correct on the first question?
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Feb 14, 2013 1:45pm
Con_Alma;1389220 wrote:How many times must we state that faith or belief is the desired basis chosen by God?

I hope you do "got it". Yes, it's based on faith and faith alone. That has been presented numerous times.
Whoa whoa whoa ... what is based on faith now?
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Feb 14, 2013 1:46pm
O-Trap;1389225 wrote:Whoa whoa whoa ... what is based on faith now?
eternal salvation

Sola fide
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Feb 14, 2013 1:50pm
Con_Alma;1389227 wrote:eternal salvation
Oh, okay. Whew ... You scared me for a moment.
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Feb 14, 2013 1:54pm
...stemming from the inquiry requesting reasonable proof that bacteria will or will not have such salvation. Crazy, I know.:p
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Feb 14, 2013 2:13pm
I suppose I should have qualified that by saying that the distinction lies between that and a being with a soul (or "consciousness," if you prefer) that continues on. Apologies for not being thorough.
At what point in the chain of evolution does one earn a soul; or in another way, which level of 'human' does one finally achieve worthiness of heaven by god. Given the differences in genomes from chimpanzees and humans being only slightly greater than the differences between individual humans, do chimps go to heaven too?
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Feb 14, 2013 2:14pm
O-Trap;1389222 wrote:Oh I misread that. My apologies.

If I had to guess, I'd probably say Canada, but I have no idea why. Canucks just always bugged me.

Was I correct on the first question?
You are incorrect. The first answer is Vietnam.
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Feb 14, 2013 2:26pm
sleeper;1389243 wrote:You are incorrect. The answer is Vietnam.
80% of Vietnamese don't believe in God? Interesting, to be sure.
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Feb 14, 2013 2:33pm
jmog;1389173 wrote:This actually not true at all. But why should we expect sleeper to list actual facts and back them up when he can state things as FACT!!

There are many PhD biologists who do not believe this. Notice I did NOT say most or a majority, I said many.
I applaud the biologists who don't believe it. I'd love to see their competing research that directly conflicts with the status quo. :thumbup:
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Feb 14, 2013 2:33pm
O-Trap;1389254 wrote:80% of Vietnamese don't believe in God? Interesting, to be sure.
That is correct based on this sample size.
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Feb 14, 2013 2:35pm
Con_Alma;1389220 wrote:How many times must we state that faith or belief is the desired basis chosen by God?

I hope you do "got it". Yes, it's based on faith and faith alone. That has been presented numerous times.
So your living your life based on an unsubstantiated guess rooted in no fact and no reason? Like I said, there is no truth only belief. What's true for one is not true for another; that applies to many facets of life. :rolleyes:
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Feb 14, 2013 2:36pm
sleeper;1389259 wrote:That is correct based on this sample size.
Oh I wasn't doubting you. I just would have expected it to be a western, first-world nation.
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Feb 14, 2013 2:37pm
Con_Alma;1389234 wrote:...stemming from the inquiry requesting reasonable proof that bacteria will or will not have such salvation. Crazy, I know.:p
I have seen no evidence either way. I find it sad that god does not wish to allow access to all forms of life and only focus on one branch of the evolutionary tree.
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Feb 14, 2013 7:18pm
sleeper;1389264 wrote:I have seen no evidence either way. I find it sad that god does not wish to allow access to all forms of life and only focus on one branch of the evolutionary tree.

Maybe you haven't.

Why do you think it's sad a God you don't believe does or does not do any particular thing?
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Feb 14, 2013 7:21pm
sleeper;1389262 wrote:So your living your life based on an unsubstantiated guess rooted in no fact and no reason? Like I said, there is no truth only belief. What's true for one is not true for another; that applies to many facets of life. :rolleyes:
I am living my life exactly the same I lived before I accepted and communed with God.

There's reason behind such a decision. It's just not reason that's appealing nor motivating to you.
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Feb 14, 2013 8:30pm
Con_Alma;1389423 wrote:Maybe you haven't.

Why do you think it's sad a God you don't believe does or does not do any particular thing?
There is no belief, there is only truth.
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Feb 14, 2013 8:51pm
sleeper;1389457 wrote:There is no belief, there is only truth.
You know that those two aren't mutually exclusive, right?

And there IS belief.
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Feb 14, 2013 9:33pm
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Feb 14, 2013 10:32pm
O-Trap;1389470 wrote:You know that those two aren't mutually exclusive, right?

And there IS belief.
Captain Con_Alma's argument is that because I don't believe in god then I don't follow the same fate as those who do. This is a binary scenario where there either is a god and that is the truth or there isn't. If god doesn't accept bacteria into his kingdom, then why does he allow humans? Bacteria aren't much different than a handicapped religious human being so why are the treated differently and denied heaven? If god exists, he's an asshole.
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Feb 14, 2013 11:04pm
Do believers in say, Catholicism, believe that all other religions are wrong? If so, what causes you to reject the other religious beliefs and accept your current belief as truth?
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Feb 15, 2013 4:58am
sleeper;1389531 wrote:Captain Con_Alma's argument is that because I don't believe in god then I don't follow the same fate as those who do. This is a binary scenario where there either is a god and that is the truth or there isn't. If god doesn't accept bacteria into his kingdom, then why does he allow humans? Bacteria aren't much different than a handicapped religious human being so why are the treated differently and denied heaven? If god exists, he's an ****.
No one ha said anything about your fate.

There is a God.

Who said God didn't accept bacteria? Who said God "allowed humans"? You are making a lot of assumptions

Are you sure bacteria is treated differently than humans? It's my understanding they both return to dust.

If you think God's an **** there's no reason for you to seek him out.
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Feb 15, 2013 5:02am
sleeper;1389556 wrote:Do believers in say, Catholicism, believe that all other religions are wrong? If so, what causes you to reject the other religious beliefs and accept your current belief as truth?
Yes.

I'm not Catholic but at the risk of answering for them ...your second question would insirre the following answer.....the same thing that causes a Catholic to accept their belief as truth would apply here. It has been outlined numerous times in this thread and others. If your own beliefs are contradictory to others, the others must be rejected if one has accepted their own as truth. They both are not correct.
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Feb 15, 2013 9:43am
Con_Alma;1389615 wrote:No one ha said anything about your fate.

There is a God.

Who said God didn't accept bacteria? Who said God "allowed humans"? You are making a lot of assumptions

Are you sure bacteria is treated differently than humans? It's my understanding they both return to dust.

If you think God's an **** there's no reason for you to seek him out.
Well when it's all made up anyway, my assumptions are just as valid as yours. It's EZ.
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Feb 15, 2013 9:44am
Con_Alma;1389616 wrote:Yes.

I'm not Catholic but at the risk of answering for them ...your second question would insirre the following answer.....the same thing that causes a Catholic to accept their belief as truth would apply here. It has been outlined numerous times in this thread and others. If your own beliefs are contradictory to others, the others must be rejected if one has accepted their own as truth. They both are not correct.
So what caused you to validate one religion over another? Why is your faith right and the others wrong?