killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Feb 27, 2013 11:39am
@NEPD_Loyko: Te'o getting knocked for lack of athleticism.. but ran only .1 slower than Ogletree had better 3-cone and Shuttle..who is "a great athlete"
I'm honestly not trying to "defend" Te'o but I think his off the field fiasco is causing overreactions/extra scrutiny to his combine results.
I'm honestly not trying to "defend" Te'o but I think his off the field fiasco is causing overreactions/extra scrutiny to his combine results.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Feb 27, 2013 12:01pm
Just recieved an ESPN notification that the niners agree to trade Alex Smith to KC. Not sure what the niners get in return.
gorocks99
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Feb 27, 2013 12:02pm
No word on what the Niners are getting in return but it has been agreed upon: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8995035/san-francisco-49ers-agree-trade-alex-smith-kansas-city-chiefs-source
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thavoice
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Feb 27, 2013 12:06pm
Think its a good move for the chiefs. Smith will do well enough for a couple of seasons so they can build the team.
killer_ewok
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Feb 27, 2013 12:12pm
gorocks99;1397083 wrote:No word on what the Niners are getting in return but it has been agreed upon: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8995035/san-francisco-49ers-agree-trade-alex-smith-kansas-city-chiefs-source
Some on twitter are saying for two 2nd round picks.
sleeper
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Feb 27, 2013 12:19pm
This is really going to improve my mock draft team. :laugh:killer_ewok;1397096 wrote:Some on twitter are saying for two 2nd round picks.
SportsAndLady
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Feb 27, 2013 12:25pm
2 second rounders is great for the niners. They've handled their QB situation flawlessly.
killer_ewok
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Feb 27, 2013 12:25pm
@AdamSchefter: Chiefs traded second-round pick, the second pick in the second round, to SF. Niners also got another conditional mid-round pick in 2014.
killer_ewok
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Feb 27, 2013 12:26pm
A 2nd round pick and a conditional mid-round pick.
Benny The Jet
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Feb 27, 2013 12:26pm
I agree with that to a point, but I think a good amount of the scrutiny comes from that awful championship game where he was man-handled and whiffed on tackles.killer_ewok;1397064 wrote:@NEPD_Loyko: Te'o getting knocked for lack of athleticism.. but ran only .1 slower than Ogletree had better 3-cone and Shuttle..who is "a great athlete"
I'm honestly not trying to "defend" Te'o but I think his off the field fiasco is causing overreactions/extra scrutiny to his combine results.
killer_ewok
Posts: 11,379
Feb 27, 2013 12:27pm
Benny The Jet;1397118 wrote:I agree with that to a point, but I think a good amount of the scrutiny comes from that awful championship game where he was man-handled and whiffed on tackles.
I agree. But we're talking about 1 game. Does it make sense to discount 12 games and put that much weight on 1?
Automatik
Posts: 14,632
Feb 27, 2013 12:34pm
So now with Smith to KD, does that make Joeckel a lock for the #1 pick?
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thavoice
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Feb 27, 2013 12:36pm
I think one needs to take a look at his performances against teams who had legit pro prospects on the other team taht he went directly against.killer_ewok;1397121 wrote:I agree. But we're talking about 1 game. Does it make sense to discount 12 games and put that much weight on 1?
wildcats20
Posts: 27,794
Feb 27, 2013 12:37pm
killer_ewok;1397121 wrote:I agree. But we're talking about 1 game. Does it make sense to discount 12 games and put that much weight on 1?
When it is his most recent showing against real competition, yes. Right or wrong, it's how the NFL world works.
killer_ewok
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Feb 27, 2013 12:44pm
Do you guys mean like how he did against Oklahoma, Stanford, etc. or are those teams void of pro prospects and therefore not considered "real" competition? Honest question.
karen lotz
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Feb 27, 2013 12:45pm
wildcats20;1397134 wrote:When it is his most recent showing against real competition, yes. Right or wrong, it's how the NFL world works.
No, it's how the media works, not NFL.
killer_ewok
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Feb 27, 2013 12:46pm
wildcats20;1397134 wrote:When it is his most recent showing against real competition, yes. Right or wrong, it's how the NFL world works.
I think it's more how message boards and some sports media personalities work. I still would be surprised if he's not a 1st round pick. I'm gonna give pro scouts a little more credit than that.
killer_ewok
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Feb 27, 2013 12:49pm
I get the whole "you're only as good as your last game" stuff but I think most would agree that is illogical. Not saying the guy is gonna be great...simply saying that there is plenty of extra scrutiny, and while some is justifiable, I think most of it is irrational.
wildcats20
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Feb 27, 2013 12:50pm
killer_ewok;1397142 wrote:Do you guys mean like how he did against Oklahoma, Stanford, etc. or are those teams void of pro prospects and therefore not considered "real" competition? Honest question.
I'm saying real competition as in a real game and not the combine.
wildcats20
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Feb 27, 2013 12:52pm
killer_ewok;1397147 wrote:I think it's more how message boards and some sports media personalities work. I still would be surprised if he's not a 1st round pick. I'm gonna give pro scouts a little more credit than that.
Just saw that Kiper has him at 21. For whatever that is worth.
killer_ewok
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Feb 27, 2013 12:53pm
wildcats20;1397151 wrote:I'm saying real competition as in a real game and not the combine.
Got it. My mistake there. Question only applies to thavoice then.
killer_ewok
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Feb 27, 2013 12:53pm
wildcats20;1397152 wrote:Just saw that Kiper has him at 21. For whatever that is worth.
Cincinnati....
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thavoice
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Feb 27, 2013 12:55pm
killer_ewok;1397142 wrote:Do you guys mean like how he did against Oklahoma, Stanford, etc. or are those teams void of pro prospects and therefore not considered "real" competition? Honest question.
Against teams who have legit pro prosepcts on the OL and RB. I dont know the answer to that. I know he was eaten up by Bama..alot of players were.
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wildcats20
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Feb 27, 2013 12:56pm
killer_ewok;1397154 wrote:Got it. My mistake there. Question only applies to thavoice then.
I honestly have no idea where he will go and frankly I don't care. He was a really good college linebacker. Only time will tell how he does in the league.
killer_ewok
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Feb 27, 2013 12:59pm
thavoice;1397157 wrote:Against teams who have legit pro prosepcts on the OL and RB. I dont know the answer to that. I know he was eaten up by Bama..alot of players were.
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True and correct...a lot of players were. I think Te'o went up against some very formidable opponents and played well against them in 2012. Obviously that wasn't the case vs. 'Bama. I guess it just depends how much you read into that one game (and it was a huge game).