How about back to the top 5 QB's of all time, guys, and piss elsewhere.

sleeper;1366576 wrote:There is no mathematical formula for common sense.

Is this why you have none? Based on your logic you can compare athletes outside of 5-10 year spans. With your "logic", Michael Jordan wouldn't be top 100 player in todays game.

Raw Dawgin' it;1366579 wrote:Is this why you have none? Based on your logic you can compare athletes outside of 5-10 year spans. With your "logic", Michael Jordan wouldn't be top 100 player in todays game.

Hard to say. MJ may be "young" enough; he's on the border. Players from the 60's are not.

Commander of Awesome;1366577 wrote:You said none, with about 3 sec of googling I found 2. lol at not doing your research when trying to debate me.

I said Crickets. The fact that you had to Google it tells me all I need to know. And really these players were elevated by Manning and ended up as garbage on another team after he left.

1. Johnny Unitas
2. Joe Montana
3. Tom Brady
4. Bart Starr
5. John Elway
6. Sammy Baugh
7. Peyton Manning
8. Otto Graham
9. Dan Marino
10. Steve Young

1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Elway
4. Young
5. Montana
6. Marino
7. Favre
8. Aikman
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9. Timmothy Richard

Montana
Brady
Elway
Unitas
Marino


Not sure how anyone could pick Manning over Brady

Fran Tarkington is in my top 5. He was without question the most fun to watch. I would include Brady, Unitas, Peyton. The final spot goes to either Otto Graham, Bradshaw, or Steve Young.

The year Sanders won DPOY they won the SB. I still dont think that was a coincidence...

WebFire;1366429 wrote:
BTW, what would Peyton Manning do in the 40s and 50s?

Be a dominant defensive lineman.

sleeper;1366590 wrote:Hard to say. MJ may be "young" enough; he's on the border. Players from the 60's are not.

way to back track. stfu w/ your trolling.

fan_from_texas;1366664 wrote:Be a dominant defensive lineman.

Reps.

I will add anywhere anything ( ecept kicker of any kind. he sucks at kicking )

Brady
Montana
Unitas
Graham
Manning

lol at sleepers fail

fan_from_texas;1366664 wrote:Be a dominant defensive lineman.

Post of the day. Reps.

5. Peyton Manning
4. Sammy Baugh
3. Bart Starr
2. Otto Graham
1. Tom Brady

1.Brett Favre
2.Dan Marino
3.Johnny Unitas
4.Joe Montana
5.Tom Brady

Ty Webb;1366790 wrote:1.Brett Favre
2.Dan Marino
3.Johnny Unitas
4.Joe Montana
5.Tom Brady

No Teebow?

Manning passing quite well in an era that didn't pass much.

He'd be a great receiver because he is knows for his foot speed and toughness.

Kareem is Kareem in any generation.

1. Brady
2. Elway
3. Montana
4. Farve
5. Manning
6. Marino
7. Young
8. Tarkenton
9. Moon
10. Staubach
11. Unitas
12. Brister

1. John Elway - did the most with the least over his career...threw to Ricky Nattiel, Vance Johnson, and Mark Jackson until very late in his career. Finally got Shannon Sharpe to go along with two receivers he basically made good by himself, Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery.

2. Tom Brady - The guy just wins and does it on a team with an owner who believes you can win with any players that are there. Wes Welker was his primary receiver throughout his super bowl runs to go along with Deion Branch. Randy Moss helped but was not there long.

3. Dan Marino - The best pure passer in the history of the game. Throwing to Mark Clayton and Mark Duper is not exactly an ideal situation. No super bowl wins causes him to be 3rd instead of first.

4. Peyton Manning - The best regular season quarterback in NFL history. No one can beat up the AFC like Peyton. He has had some good targets to throw to. He did not make Wayne and Harrison good...they already were good...he did make them great though (and Dallas Clark).

5. Drew Brees - One of the most under rated QBs of all time. He is an incredible passer with a stable full of receivers who will not be remembered after 5 years (except Graham). Brees can find the open man as well as anyone who has ever played.


Players from earlier generations simply could not play modern football. These guys could go back in time and be great passers still. They could go even further back in time and hand off the ball as well as anyone.

Most over rated QB of all time - Joe Montana. Joe threw to Jerry Rice, John Taylor, and Dwight Clark. Anyone can throw to those guys and be great. He made a living out of throwing 5 yard slants to Rice and Taylor and watching them out run everyone to the end zone. I remember watching a game in which he had over 170 passing yards on 2 plays in which the ball traveled a total of 12 yards.

Nice to see Warren Moon on someone's list...he nearly made mine. He QB'd one of the most complex passing games of the pre-2000's.

WebFire;1366429 wrote:
BTW, what would Peyton Manning do in the 40s and 50s?

Hand it off?

hasbeen;1366896 wrote:Hand it off?

Right. He wouldn't have tore it up passing for 4,000 yards. That's kind of the point.

WebFire;1366904 wrote:Right. He wouldn't have tore it up passing for 4,000 yards. That's kind of the point.

If he ran the same offense then as he does now, he'd tear them up for 6,000 yards.

hasbeen;1366906 wrote:If he ran the same offense then as he does now, he'd tear them up for 6,000 yards.

But he wouldn't have. Point is that the era's aren't interchangeable. You can't just transplant the players in a different era and compare.

It would be interesting to see the Bradys/Mannings et al of today playing back when it was legal to beat the shit out of the QB every play.

fish82;1367199 wrote:It would be interesting to see the Bradys/Mannings et al of today playing back when it was legal to beat the shit out of the QB every play.

This. The young fux on this thread have no clue...at all.

In the 64 title game, Galen Fiss (outside lb for the browns) broke through the line and gave Johnny U a fore-armed shiver to the face, knocking out teeth and spouting blood all over the skin portion of the infield. And this was a full second after the pass was thrown. No flag, no warning, no ref waggin a finger...nothing.

Ole Galen would have been suspended for at least a year in today's game.

The other thing to consider when comparing stats...the defense could mug receivers all over the field before passes were even thrown. Clotheslining receivers before the ball was thrown was quite legal in the day of YA Tittle and Norm Van Brocklin.

Night Train Lane, Emlen Tunnel, Hardy Brown and even Dick Lebeau (yaeh that Dick LeBaugh-played for the Lions) knocked out receivers almost every week.