ernest_t_bass;1354473 wrote:Thank you for the obvious, original, and predictable post.

Seeing as how it was already answered in the thread you clearly hadn't read, I felt a smartass comment was in line.

dlazz;1354510 wrote:Seeing as how it was already answered in the thread you clearly hadn't read, I felt a smartass comment was in line.

As always from you.:thumbup:

ccrunner609;1353449 wrote:I believe that the whole water on fire thing was proven wrong and that fracking had nothing to do with it

The water catching fire is a result of methane in the ground. This usually isn't a problem, but when you frack the same layer from the same well multiple times to increase production and methane is present...it can and has happened.

fan_from_texas;1353453 wrote:The movie isn't particularly accurate. Fracking poses some risks, but they tend to be more along the lines of seismic issues, not groundwater contamination (the fluids are injected at different levels). I'm not saying it's harmless, as there is a risk with any sort of drilling operation, but fracking, as I understand it, doesn't pose huge environmental risks.

I agree the movie is biased. I also think sloppy fracking can pose significant risks.

Devils Advocate;1353454 wrote:Drill baby drill......

Get paid first and don't sign the companies contract. Get a lawyer to draw one up that favors you.

Devils Advocate;1353454 wrote:And go frack yourself

^^If you sign without a lawyer, you most likely will have achieved this

Mohican00;1353509 wrote:And something that rarely gets pointed out.......we've been disposing of haz and non haz waste via deep well injection for years and that does not get near the attention fracking does

Agreed, this is nuts and the taxpayers of this state need to start being more vocal about it.
Other states are sending us some foul stuff that we may have to deal with in 50 years and Ohio isn't getting properly paid for the risks...actually, the future risks could be so great, it may not be worth any amount of money.
If you drill in your state...deal with your own by-products IN YOUR STATE.

rydawg5;1353578 wrote:Why was the bill passed in 2005 to keep it out of the Clean water act's reach? That's another thing that befuddles this humble soul.

It should and it starts with the energy lobby. They want satisfaction without accountability.

Tiernan;1353582 wrote:Fracking will save eastern Ohio and western PA economies over the next 40 yrs. The people against this are the jealous bastards who don't own land and aren't going to get rich.

I think a more accurate statement would be: "responsible energy harvesting can vastly improve the eastern ohio and western pa economies over the next 40 years"
Some of the people you are referring to as "Jealous bastards" DO own land and haven't forgotten how their great grandfathers were duped out of their fair shares of the proceeds by the coal energy interests.

It's no crime to look out for you and yours....the energy companies look out for themselves very well.

Tiernan;1353595 wrote:Fracking has been around the oil and gas industry since the 50s but its relatively new to this part of the country. TX, OK, ND, LA oil developers have been doing it for years and with a great safety record.

half truth and not really applicable to what's going on in ohio

PropJoe;1353604 wrote:Kind of. What we call fracking today is specifically slickwater horizontal fracturing, and it was first tried about a decade ago. Forms of hydraulic fracturing have been around since the 50's in some manner though.

whole truth^^...and guys who have no experience with these relatively new processes will be getting their experience right here over the next 5-10 years. Finding responsible and reliable people to frack these wells is key and anybody who tells you monitoring is not necessary because they have been doing this forever...is cutting corners for profit

fan_from_texas;1353614 wrote:It's complicated and nuanced.

It is...especially the contracts.

Sonofanump;1353620 wrote:I drink your milkshake.

great movie

Tiernan;1353621 wrote:My point was this aint the first rodeo for the O&G guys moving into the shale fields of OH, PA & WV. Tree Huggers trying to make mountains out of mole hills with the safety scares. The big bucks flowing into Appalachia will quiet that noise down quickly.

It ain't the first rodeo for eastern ohio landowners dealing with energy companies either.
Tree huggers?...I don't see that many
The Mountains being made out of mole hills is to be expected...it can be the difference between a family getting paid well the rest of their lives or getting next to nothing. Don't let the energy interests dictate all the rules of the game.

rightfield;1354441 wrote:This is true. My dad is a surveyor and has worked around the oil industry for over 30 years in Ohio. He says it has been done here since he can remember but just not at the depths it is now. Drill baby, drill. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

The energy thats under the ground isn't going anywhere...If the deposits are as big as they say, they will come for them eventually under terms provided by the people of ohio...not some corporation from out west.

don't let the horse tell you he's a gift...he will bend you over and you will recieve your gift.
Get smart!

rydawg5;1353627 wrote:I know we speak in hyperbole but this doesn't seem like a political dilemma for all, so I'm sure even some republicans (gun lovin, obama hating, waiting on Bush III to come and save us good ole boys) could even have some caution when watching documentaries about claims of this not being safe. Even SOME republicans do care about humanity and safety of the citizens (even if it's frowned upon by the party)

I think this issue is very political. I don't always agree with our governor, but I like his ideas on taxing the snot out of these guys and using the money to reduce our citizens taxes.
The energy is there. Somebody will want it. Let's get the best deal for OHIO that is responsible and safe on our terms. The energy corporations are telling us alot of half truths in an effort to get the best deal for themselves.

...don't fall for the propaganda, they want to take it on the cheap and sell it abroad.
The citizens of Ohio need to make sure the state gets paid well and make sure our own demands for these resources don't end up being dictated to us by someone else.

rydawg5;1353451 wrote:Okay - I'll google that and see what I find. Kinda weird they'd make a movie about it if it was a hoax. I didn't see a movie about the unstoppable Prius

I am not sure if it is a hoax or not, but do you really find it odd that Hollywood would make a movie about some controversial environmental science and lean to the liberal/environment side of it (even if it wasn't proven or correct)?

Have you watched a movie in the last decade? Any movie at all?

The other possibility for the "fire" is that most of this fracking is done in south eastern Ohio, and the well water in a lot of that area has a high sulfur content.

Most people with well water has a system of softening as well as desulfurizing the well water.

If the peoples cleaning system is out of reagents, H2S (hydrogen sulfide) could be in that water, which is also flammable.

It is the "rotten eggs" smell you get at times in contaminated well water.

I was speaking with a very good friend of mine from Barnesville the other day on this subject. Fracking has been going on there for quite some time.

So he tells me, there isn't really any overt danger to it, BUT there is indeed a problem with it in their case. As a result of the fracking that has gone on there, the land leftover is virtually unusable for growing much of anything. Its only real remaining use is to build things on top of.

If you have an agricultural industry, fracking may hurt your business in that industry, even substantially. If not, however, the effect is mostly that you'll have ugly barren patches of land. Aesthetic, to some extent.