2013 Cleveland Browns Thread: RIP Chud

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Feb 28, 2013 3:34pm
Wish list for the Browns at #6

1. Dion Jordan
2. Ziggy Ansah
3. Warmack
4. Kenny Vaccaro
5. Gino Smith

Where are you guys leaning?
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Feb 28, 2013 5:04pm
Geno at 6 is a pretty good value pick. Let him sit behind Weeden for a year or two.

But I'd be happy with Warmack, or a DE/OLB or safety w/ that pick.
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Sonofanump
Feb 28, 2013 5:19pm
Commander of Awesome;1397969 wrote:Wish list for the Browns at #6

1. Dion Jordan
2. Ziggy Ansah
3. Warmack
4. Kenny Vaccaro
5. Gino Smith

Where are you guys leaning?
I have no idea who Ziggy Ansah is, I don't recall him during the year or having seen him on any mock draft's frist two rounds. I must be out of touch. I think Jordan will be a fine play and fits a major need. Warmack would be solid, Vaccaro maybe mid -round.
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Feb 28, 2013 5:25pm
Sonofanump;1398047 wrote:I have no idea who Ziggy Ansah is, I don't recall him during the year or having seen him on any mock draft's frist two rounds. I must be out of touch. I think Jordan will be a fine play and fits a major need. Warmack would be solid, Vaccaro maybe mid -round.

He played for BYU. Has so much potential it's crazy. I believe he has only played football for like 4-5 years
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Feb 28, 2013 5:34pm
Crimson streak;1398050 wrote:He played for BYU. Has so much potential it's crazy. I believe he has only played football for like 4-5 years
Yeah he's 6'5" 270 lbs and runs a 4.6 40. Dude's a beast.
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Feb 28, 2013 5:36pm
Ansah also dominated the senior bowl.
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Sonofanump
Feb 28, 2013 5:39pm
Oh, he is the guy that is born outside the US?
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Sonofanump
Feb 28, 2013 5:41pm
OK, I looked him up. How old is he? Does he need to go out of a mission?
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Feb 28, 2013 5:51pm
Sonofanump;1398060 wrote:OK, I looked him up. How old is he? Does he need to go out of a mission?
Allegedly turned 22 in January. I don't know how good Ghana is with that kind of stuff though.
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Feb 28, 2013 6:45pm
Commander of Awesome;1397969 wrote:Wish list for the Browns at #6

1. Dion Jordan
2. Ziggy Ansah
3. Warmack
4. Kenny Vaccaro
5. Gino Smith

Where are you guys leaning?
1. Trade down
2. Dion Jordan
3. Dee Milliner
4. Ziggy Ansah

I think it has to be defense if we only have one pick in the first two rounds. This all could change though based on free agency
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Feb 28, 2013 7:17pm
CLEconomically Speaking;1398079 wrote:1. Trade down
2. Dion Jordan
3. Dee Milliner
4. Ziggy Ansah

I think it has to be defense if we only have one pick in the first two rounds. This all could change though based on free agency
Milliner's lack of ball skills is a huge issue. He's terrible at getting his head around and finding the ball. Mid-first-round pick to me.
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Feb 28, 2013 7:34pm
Commander of Awesome;1398092 wrote:Milliner's lack of ball skills is a huge issue. He's terrible at getting his head around and finding the ball. Mid-first-round pick to me.

Umm what? Have you not seen him play?
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Feb 28, 2013 8:47pm
Crimson streak;1398099 wrote:Umm what? Have you not seen him play?
Yeah he looked pretty good in the NC. Caused that sweet interception.
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Sonofanump
Mar 1, 2013 12:35am
Pick6;1398124 wrote:Yeah he looked pretty good in the NC. Caused that sweet interception.

Agree, but SEC > ND.
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Mar 1, 2013 8:08am
Sonofanump;1398261 wrote:Agree, but SEC > ND.
MAC > ND
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Mar 1, 2013 11:29am
like_that will love this one
The Mirage
By Brian Tarcy

Posted Mar 1, 2013



You want an identity? How about, “Kick everyone's butt.”

3 Comments

The best way for the Cleveland Browns to improve is for them to use the sixth pick in the draft to take Chance Warmack, offensive guard from Alabama and begin to complete the best offensive line in the NFL.

When that happens, with a healthy Trent Richardson running behind that line, Brandon Weeden can be great. Or Colt McCoy. Or your grandmother, if she has a decent arm and half a brain.

If you give any NFL quarterback a great running game and a great offensive line, he will be successful. I am so confident in this that I will add this clause; even if he wears an orange helmet Lots of mediocre quarterbacks have had great seasons. It's a sweet formula, and if the quarterback has some success, he may actually become confident. Then, look out.. Heck, Derek Anderson did it.

You want an identity? How about, “Kick everyone's butt.” You want touchdowns? Put Trent Richardson behind a mashing athletic left guard who is playing between a Pro Bowl Center and a Pro Bowl left tackle.

I say this formula begins finally to teach children how to be Cleveland Browns fans. Take a chance on Chance. He will most likely be available, as no one takes offensive guards that high. But the best ones are paid huge cash for a reason. If you build an offensive line, wins will come.

The jigsaw puzzle is almost complete. I know how tempting it is to give Ray Horton whatever he wants to build his attacking defense, but the Cleveland Browns need three things – a quarterback, an identity, and points. A dominating offensive line does all that.

In fact, I am sure that offensive lines make quarterbacks more than the other way around, except for Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, and they are vulnerable too.

I want the Cleveland Browns to spend their free agent money on defense, and take a Chance in the draft. It's unconventional thinking given how every expert has them going for defense. But they are finally close to building a team with a power identity on the shores of Lake Erie.

This is the blueprint I remember from when things were rosy and the Cleveland Browns were always a good-to-great team. It's time to abandon the clown car version of football we have been watching for the past past decade and a half. To paraphrase Sam Wyche, Cleveland is not Cincinnati.

I don't care what the Browns do as long as they win every game next year. But until they make a decision, which then by default becomes my heartfelt opinion too, I believe the guy some call the most athletic guard to come out in years.

Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly are in the Hall of Fame. So in Gene Hickerson, who blocked for both of them. I love great coincidences. Take a Chance on another.

And if the team finishes 5-11 again next year because a knucklehead like me forgets that a dominating defense also helps, at least the next new coach and new quarterback will have an almost completed offensive line to work with until they get fired. So that's progress.
Brian Tarcy is the creator of whatzgonnahappen.com
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Mar 1, 2013 11:32am
Commander of Awesome;1398416 wrote:like_that will love this one

The Mirage
By Brian Tarcy

Posted Mar 1, 2013



You want an identity? How about, “Kick everyone's butt.”

3 Comments
The best way for the Cleveland Browns to improve is for them to use the sixth pick in the draft to take Chance Warmack, offensive guard from Alabama and begin to complete the best offensive line in the NFL.

When that happens, with a healthy Trent Richardson running behind that line, Brandon Weeden can be great. Or Colt McCoy. Or your grandmother, if she has a decent arm and half a brain.

If you give any NFL quarterback a great running game and a great offensive line, he will be successful. I am so confident in this that I will add this clause; even if he wears an orange helmet Lots of mediocre quarterbacks have had great seasons. It's a sweet formula, and if the quarterback has some success, he may actually become confident. Then, look out.. Heck, Derek Anderson did it.

You want an identity? How about, “Kick everyone's butt.” You want touchdowns? Put Trent Richardson behind a mashing athletic left guard who is playing between a Pro Bowl Center and a Pro Bowl left tackle.

I say this formula begins finally to teach children how to be Cleveland Browns fans. Take a chance on Chance. He will most likely be available, as no one takes offensive guards that high. But the best ones are paid huge cash for a reason. If you build an offensive line, wins will come.

The jigsaw puzzle is almost complete. I know how tempting it is to give Ray Horton whatever he wants to build his attacking defense, but the Cleveland Browns need three things – a quarterback, an identity, and points. A dominating offensive line does all that.

In fact, I am sure that offensive lines make quarterbacks more than the other way around, except for Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, and they are vulnerable too.

I want the Cleveland Browns to spend their free agent money on defense, and take a Chance in the draft. It's unconventional thinking given how every expert has them going for defense. But they are finally close to building a team with a power identity on the shores of Lake Erie.

This is the blueprint I remember from when things were rosy and the Cleveland Browns were always a good-to-great team. It's time to abandon the clown car version of football we have been watching for the past past decade and a half. To paraphrase Sam Wyche, Cleveland is not Cincinnati.

I don't care what the Browns do as long as they win every game next year. But until they make a decision, which then by default becomes my heartfelt opinion too, I believe the guy some call the most athletic guard to come out in years.

Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly are in the Hall of Fame. So in Gene Hickerson, who blocked for both of them. I love great coincidences. Take a Chance on another.

And if the team finishes 5-11 again next year because a knucklehead like me forgets that a dominating defense also helps, at least the next new coach and new quarterback will have an almost completed offensive line to work with until they get fired. So that's progress.
Brian Tarcy is the creator of whatzgonnahappen.com
I did, and I agree with pretty much everything.
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Gblock
Mar 1, 2013 11:36am
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/1/4041854/josh-cribbs-tampering-nfl-free-agency

Looks like cribbs should just be quiet.

that being said i hope pittburgh can sign him we have a spot open for KR. I hate the browns but love JC. if i was him i would leave cleaveland and not look back. on another team that actually gives him the ball he would probably be a superstar. they def ruined his career
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Posts: 401
Mar 1, 2013 11:42am
Commander of Awesome;1398416 wrote:like_that will love this one
The Mirage
By Brian Tarcy

Posted Mar 1, 2013



You want an identity? How about, “Kick everyone's butt.”

3 Comments

The best way for the Cleveland Browns to improve is for them to use the sixth pick in the draft to take Chance Warmack, offensive guard from Alabama and begin to complete the best offensive line in the NFL.

When that happens, with a healthy Trent Richardson running behind that line, Brandon Weeden can be great. Or Colt McCoy. Or your grandmother, if she has a decent arm and half a brain.

If you give any NFL quarterback a great running game and a great offensive line, he will be successful. I am so confident in this that I will add this clause; even if he wears an orange helmet Lots of mediocre quarterbacks have had great seasons. It's a sweet formula, and if the quarterback has some success, he may actually become confident. Then, look out.. Heck, Derek Anderson did it.

You want an identity? How about, “Kick everyone's butt.” You want touchdowns? Put Trent Richardson behind a mashing athletic left guard who is playing between a Pro Bowl Center and a Pro Bowl left tackle.

I say this formula begins finally to teach children how to be Cleveland Browns fans. Take a chance on Chance. He will most likely be available, as no one takes offensive guards that high. But the best ones are paid huge cash for a reason. If you build an offensive line, wins will come.

The jigsaw puzzle is almost complete. I know how tempting it is to give Ray Horton whatever he wants to build his attacking defense, but the Cleveland Browns need three things – a quarterback, an identity, and points. A dominating offensive line does all that.

In fact, I am sure that offensive lines make quarterbacks more than the other way around, except for Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, and they are vulnerable too.

I want the Cleveland Browns to spend their free agent money on defense, and take a Chance in the draft. It's unconventional thinking given how every expert has them going for defense. But they are finally close to building a team with a power identity on the shores of Lake Erie.

This is the blueprint I remember from when things were rosy and the Cleveland Browns were always a good-to-great team. It's time to abandon the clown car version of football we have been watching for the past past decade and a half. To paraphrase Sam Wyche, Cleveland is not Cincinnati.

I don't care what the Browns do as long as they win every game next year. But until they make a decision, which then by default becomes my heartfelt opinion too, I believe the guy some call the most athletic guard to come out in years.

Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly are in the Hall of Fame. So in Gene Hickerson, who blocked for both of them. I love great coincidences. Take a Chance on another.

And if the team finishes 5-11 again next year because a knucklehead like me forgets that a dominating defense also helps, at least the next new coach and new quarterback will have an almost completed offensive line to work with until they get fired. So that's progress.
Brian Tarcy is the creator of whatzgonnahappen.com
I love this thinking, but I think we'll likely see Louis Vasquez (Chargers) and Geoff Schwartz (Vikings) as the two who round out the line. And you know what? I'd prefer if that way. Chance would be great, but the marginal benefits of draft talent over free agent signings for edge rushers is much higher than it is for OGs. We'll see a higher ROI by signing guards and drafting a OLB or DE.
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Mar 1, 2013 11:43am
Gblock;1398428 wrote:http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/3/1/4041854/josh-cribbs-tampering-nfl-free-agency

Looks like cribbs should just be quiet.

that being said i hope pittburgh can sign him we have a spot open for KR. I hate the browns but love JC. if i was him i would leave cleaveland and not look back. on another team that actually gives him the ball he would probably be a superstar. they def ruined his career
lol'd
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Gblock
Mar 1, 2013 11:46am
they basically dont give him the ball so they dont have to pay him
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Mar 1, 2013 11:47am
Gblock;1398438 wrote:they basically dont give him the ball so they dont have to pay him
I am loling at the fact you think he could be a superstar, or still would be a huge factor on another team.
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Mar 1, 2013 11:48am
Lol at cribbs being a star anywhere but kr. Hes a terrible route runner and isnt that good after the catch.
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Mar 1, 2013 11:48am
Gblock;1398438 wrote:they basically dont give him the ball so they dont have to pay him
Interesting perspective coming from a non browns fan. Basically though, this is not the case. He's been in Cleveland for a long time and never found a permanent home outside of ST. Its not the coaches holding him back, that's all I can tell you.
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Gblock
Mar 1, 2013 11:49am
i do actually at least in the return game aka devin hester..he clearly has been the best player on the browns from the time they drafted him until they drafted trent richardson