If that is the case it won't be a pleasant experience. Not if one is from Steubenville or anywhere else.vball10set;1407783 wrote:The juvie they're going to is in Chillicothe, and they hate Steuby.
Maximum allowed by law. Also, if I was the judge...I would have been trying them as adults instead of as juveniles.Manhattan Buckeye;1407794 wrote:If that is the case it won't be a pleasant experience. Not if one is from Steubenville or anywhere else.
Just out of curiosity from one that hasn't followed this much despite the national media attention - if you were the judge what would you have sentenced these guys to?
This.sherm03;1407797 wrote:Maximum allowed by law. Also, if I was the judge...I would have been trying them as adults instead of as juveniles.
What is the maximum for digital penetration if classified as felony rape and tried as an adult?sherm03;1407797 wrote:Maximum allowed by law. Also, if I was the judge...I would have been trying them as adults instead of as juveniles.
As I said...I'd give them the maximum allowed by law and I would try them as adults. If you had asked me the question regarding the UVA lacrosse player, my answer would be the same.Manhattan Buckeye;1407803 wrote:What is the maximum for digital penetration if classified as felony rape and tried as an adult?
30 years? 40 years?
A UVA lacrosse guy killed a girl on campus in a drunken rage and will be out by the time he is 45. He killed the girl - repeat, KILLED. These guys were idiots, no doubt. Do you think this action arises to the death of a Yeardley Love - or is it more mob rule?
I'm not making a judgment - if there is any judgment it is with the parents on all sides. I can understand the argument that 3-5 years of Juvie isn't enough. But on the other hand I'm curious how much you'd keep these guys in prison.
If that's the maximum...yes.Manhattan Buckeye;1407811 wrote:Not an expert in Ohio law, but the maximum in most jurisdictions is life for an adult felony rape. You'd give these guys life in prison for that?
While 20+ years is obviously a long time, it's entirely too short for that particular crime. That's where the imbalance lies IMO.Manhattan Buckeye;1407803 wrote:What is the maximum for digital penetration if classified as felony rape and tried as an adult?
30 years? 40 years?
A UVA lacrosse guy killed a girl on campus in a drunken rage and will be out by the time he is 45. He killed the girl - repeat, KILLED. These guys were idiots, no doubt. Do you think this action arises to the death of a Yeardley Love - or is it more mob rule?
I'm not making a judgment - if there is any judgment it is with the parents on all sides. I can understand the argument that 3-5 years of Juvie isn't enough. But on the other hand I'm curious how much you'd keep these guys in prison.
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In a normal place, yes. In a town where there are still plenty of people that think these kids did nothing wrong...registering as a sex offender doesn't mean shit. Do you honestly think they'll have a problem finding a job in Steubenville when they get out because of this conviction? The only thing that hurts them is that they won't be able to be one of the 27 assistant coaches on the sidelines one day.IggyPride00;1408070 wrote:They do have to register as a sex offender for life don't they?
If so that will more than make up for the lack of jail time because having watched that parole diaries show before it seems like life as a registered sex offender is one step short of being in jail with all the rules/restrictions and limitations that come with it.
Exactly. The sentence is never going to end for them, they just won't be in prison for all of it.IggyPride00;1408070 wrote:They do have to register as a sex offender for life don't they?
If so that will more than make up for the lack of jail time because having watched that parole diaries show before it seems like life as a registered sex offender is one step short of being in jail with all the rules/restrictions and limitations that come with it.
It's really not the job or responsibility of the judge and legal system to "send a message" to the community. They enforce the laws on the books - the two offenders certainly don't deserve harsher just to teach the community a lesson.sherm03;1408107 wrote: To explain my thinking regarding the sentences, the judge had the opportunity to send a message to the other kids in the community. He had the chance to show them that just because they are on the football team, they won't get off easy no matter what they do. He didn't take the chance to send that message.
Oh, I think they should have gotten at least a decade in jail.Mulva;1408108 wrote:Exactly. The sentence is never going to end for them, they just won't be in prison for all of it.
While I agree being a townie will help them, there are all sorts of rules and regulations that being a registered offender come with it will make their lives miserable even if they stay there.In a normal place, yes. In a town where there are still plenty of people that think these kids did nothing wrong...registering as a sex offender doesn't mean ****. Do you honestly think they'll have a problem finding a job in Steubenville when they get out because of this conviction? The only thing that hurts them is that they won't be able to be one of the 27 assistant coaches on the sidelines one day.
I'm not saying it's the job or responsibility of the judge to send a message. I'm saying that the judge had the opportunity to do it by giving these kids the harshest penalty allowed by law. He didn't do that, and I think that's a shame.gut;1408123 wrote:It's really not the job or responsibility of the judge and legal system to "send a message" to the community. They enforce the laws on the books - the two offenders certainly don't deserve harsher just to teach the community a lesson.
What sends a message is going after other people, parents and whomever else contributed and need to be accountable...which from the sounds of things that is exactly what they will be doing.
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