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Jan 7, 2013 4:07 PM
fish82;1359970 wrote:His attorney just stated that he withdrew on his own, and his scholarship is still good. Stated he plans on taking a semester off and then returning.
Wow. Not the brightest move by his attorney if what you posted is correct.
Jan 7, 2013 4:07pm
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Jan 7, 2013 4:30 PM
Summa;1360012 wrote:Wow. Not the brightest move by his attorney if what you posted is correct.
He did say he wasn't sure if he'd go back to tOSU. I thought the most interesting part was they they were honoring his scholarship, and he's apparently not expelled.
Jan 7, 2013 4:30pm
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Jan 7, 2013 4:34 PM
fish82;1360033 wrote:He did say he wasn't sure if he'd go back to tOSU. I thought the most interesting part was they they were honoring his scholarship, and he's apparently not expelled.

I think he's a piece of crap but he hasn't been charged with anything yet and still deserves due process.
Jan 7, 2013 4:34pm
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Jan 7, 2013 4:35 PM
fish82;1360033 wrote:He did say he wasn't sure if he'd go back to tOSU. I thought the most interesting part was they they were honoring his scholarship, and he's apparently not expelled.
They won't be for long thanks to his comment, the pressure will continue against Ohio State now. Why his attorney would state that publically is beyond me. He should have said nothing and stayed below the radar for a while to see how things are next semester. Now it is pretty certain that Ohio State will take further action, i.e. expulsion and withdrawal of the scholarship. It may have happened anyway but it seems like it would have been the prudent thing to say nothing at this point.
Jan 7, 2013 4:35pm
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Jan 7, 2013 4:38 PM
FatHobbit;1360034 wrote:I think he's a piece of crap but he hasn't been charged with anything yet and still deserves due process.

I agree with this. However if my daughter went to OSU, I'd have some reservations about sending her to the same place as this guy for fear that she'd end up "dead".
Jan 7, 2013 4:38pm
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Jan 7, 2013 4:45 PM
FatHobbit;1360034 wrote:I think he's a piece of crap but he hasn't been charged with anything yet and still deserves due process.
You don't have to be charged with anything or found guilty of a crime to lose a scholarship or be expelled from a school. A college can look at moral issues and the conduct of a student and decide they no longer want him at their institution. There are repercussions to actions that have nothing to do with the criminal system.
Jan 7, 2013 4:45pm
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Jan 7, 2013 4:49 PM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1360038 wrote:I agree with this. However if my daughter went to OSU, I'd have some reservations about sending her to the same place as this guy for fear that she'd end up "dead".
I understand your concerns, but in a school with 50k+ students, the odds are in your daughter's favor ;)
Jan 7, 2013 4:49pm
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Jan 7, 2013 4:52 PM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1360038 wrote:I agree with this. However if my daughter went to OSU, I'd have some reservations about sending her to the same place as this guy for fear that she'd end up "dead".
You've said this several times. She's gonna be ok.
Jan 7, 2013 4:52pm
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Jan 7, 2013 5:45 PM
Summa;1360037 wrote:They won't be for long thanks to his comment, the pressure will continue against Ohio State now. Why his attorney would state that publically is beyond me. He should have said nothing and stayed below the radar for a while to see how things are next semester. Now it is pretty certain that Ohio State will take further action, i.e. expulsion and withdrawal of the scholarship. It may have happened anyway but it seems like it would have been the prudent thing to say nothing at this point.
TBH, I think it would set a bad precedent to do that. The incident happened before he even enrolled at school, and he hasn't been charged with a crime. IMO, just being a colossal douchnozzle isn't reason to revoke a scholarship.
Jan 7, 2013 5:45pm
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Jan 7, 2013 6:05 PM
Summa;1360042 wrote:You don't have to be charged with anything or found guilty of a crime to lose a scholarship or be expelled from a school. A college can look at moral issues and the conduct of a student and decide they no longer want him at their institution. There are repercussions to actions that have nothing to do with the criminal system.
This is it. If you work in higher education, you see this more often than not...unfortunately.
Jan 7, 2013 6:05pm
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Jan 7, 2013 7:10 PM
Summa;1360042 wrote:You don't have to be charged with anything or found guilty of a crime to lose a scholarship or be expelled from a school. A college can look at moral issues and the conduct of a student and decide they no longer want him at their institution. There are repercussions to actions that have nothing to do with the criminal system.
I'm fine with that but I assume the school still has a process they would go through and he can appeal.
vball10set;1360046 wrote:I understand your concerns, but in a school with 50k+ students, the odds are in your daughter's favor ;)
And out of those 50,000 (and the surrounding area/bars) there are plenty of dumb asses that would be willing to do it. They just haven't made a video about it.
Jan 7, 2013 7:10pm
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Jan 7, 2013 7:31 PM
Summa;1360042 wrote:You don't have to be charged with anything or found guilty of a crime to lose a scholarship or be expelled from a school. A college can look at moral issues and the conduct of a student and decide they no longer want him at their institution. There are repercussions to actions that have nothing to do with the criminal system.
Public colleges generally keep the bar so low that you can trip over it in terms of moralistic things you can do to get nailed for. Private schools are another story.
Jan 7, 2013 7:31pm
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Jan 7, 2013 7:44 PM
I just saw this message on the Ohio State Facebook page "Michael Nodianos is no longer a student at The Ohio State University"
Jan 7, 2013 7:44pm
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Jan 7, 2013 8:03 PM
As far as the RUMOR of Reno resigning today?............................Not so much!
Jan 7, 2013 8:03pm
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Jan 7, 2013 8:15 PM
I heard he left the school, wasn't kicked out.
Jan 7, 2013 8:15pm
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Jan 7, 2013 8:22 PM
bases_loaded;1360168 wrote:I heard he left the school, wasn't kicked out.
left the school? resigned, for the day (to avoid media)....pls expand on this. Why the first person I hear this from would be from Dover kind of hard to believe. Yet, the Big Red ppl have vanished from here.
Jan 7, 2013 8:22pm
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Jan 7, 2013 8:39 PM
I got ya. The previous post was referring to "Reno" at Steubenville though.
Jan 7, 2013 8:39pm
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Jan 7, 2013 8:39 PM
fish82;1360078 wrote:TBH, I think it would set a bad precedent to do that. The incident happened before he even enrolled at school, and he hasn't been charged with a crime. IMO, just being a colossal douchnozzle isn't reason to revoke a scholarship.

You are wrong on this one Fish. Most colleges have moral clauses with their scholarships and they apply to non school activities even before you enroll. Any competent high school guidance couselor knows this and will advise scholarship students. Watching what you do and say on social media is a biggie.

http://mycollegeguide.org/blog/11/2009/131/

http://www.stack.com/2011/11/21/high-school-social-media-mistakes/
Jan 7, 2013 8:39pm
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Jan 7, 2013 8:46 PM
september63;1360221 wrote:I got ya. The previous post was referring to "Reno" at Steubenville though.
Oh he won't leave until someone steps in outside Jefferson County.
Jan 7, 2013 8:46pm
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Jan 7, 2013 8:57 PM
ts1227;1360137 wrote:Public colleges generally keep the bar so low that you can trip over it in terms of moralistic things you can do to get nailed for. Private schools are another story.
While they may "generally keep the bar so low," not all do. Nor do all colleges and universities face this sort of high profile public matter on a regular basis. Schools cannot allow people like this to be around anymore, if they do, we'll continue to see problems and results like Penn State -- sorry, had to bring up the school because they have made a MAJOR impact on how schools operate.
Jan 7, 2013 8:57pm
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Jan 8, 2013 1:18 AM
Dr Winston O'Boogie;1360038 wrote:I agree with this. However if my daughter went to OSU, I'd have some reservations about sending her to the same place as this guy for fear that she'd end up "dead".
You should probably freak out b/c there are plenty of rapists at any university. You should home-school your daughter in a bunker and then lock her in once she's finished.
Jan 8, 2013 1:18am
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Jan 8, 2013 8:35 AM
Someone on my FB said the DoJ is now getting involved.
Jan 8, 2013 8:35am
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Jan 8, 2013 9:13 AM
ThePatriot;1360716 wrote:You should probably freak out b/c there are plenty of rapists at any university. You should home-school your daughter in a bunker and then lock her in once she's finished.
I'm well aware of the potential dangers outside of this one particular guy. My point was more figurative in that this isn't the type of person a parent seeks out as a fellow-student. I don't literally have a daughter of college age yet, so no one needs to continue to wake me up to the realities of the student body - I' aware of them.

I think Michael Nodianos was drunk and showing off for his friends when he made this video. It was absolutely dispiceble for sure. But it can't go beyond that. Obviously there isn't a violation of the law, so his punishment is living with the consequences of what he did.
Jan 8, 2013 9:13am
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Jan 8, 2013 9:18 AM
Summa;1360222 wrote:You are wrong on this one Fish. Most colleges have moral clauses with their scholarships and they apply to non school activities even before you enroll. Any competent high school guidance couselor knows this and will advise scholarship students. Watching what you do and say on social media is a biggie.

http://mycollegeguide.org/blog/11/2009/131/

http://www.stack.com/2011/11/21/high-school-social-media-mistakes/
It would depend on where the scholarship came from, wouldn't it? If it was directly from the university, I can see your point to an extent. There are some rumors out there that most if not all his money is from outside scholarships.

Unless it's found that he's guilty of a crime, IMO being the most hated kid in America for 15 minutes and having his future professional life effectively ruined seems appropriate.
Jan 8, 2013 9:18am