From the National Rifle Association's Firearm's Glossary lol

http://www.nraila.org/glossary.aspx

CLIP
A device for holding a group of cartridges. Semantic wars have been fought over the word, with some insisting it is not a synonym for "detachable magazine." For 80 years, however, it has been so used by manufacturers and the military. There is no argument that it can also mean a separate device for holding and transferring a group of cartridges to a fixed or detachable magazine or as a device inserted with cartridges into the mechanism of a firearm becoming, in effect, part of that mechanism.

BoatShoes;1350770 wrote:From the National Rifle Association's Firearm's Glossary lol

http://www.nraila.org/glossary.aspx

Lol thanks for proving my point with the part right after your bolded part LOL

From same link, LOL

Magazine
A spring-loaded container for cartridges

No definition of clip says that. None. None at all. Nowhere.

SEMANTICS



Until you try to put a magazine in a m1 garand!!! LOL

LJ;1350766 wrote:I'm waiting for you to show me how a barrel shroud is super dangerous, or that a moon clip doesn't allow someone to reload a revolver as fast as a mag change in a glock. Or that a shotgun speedloader on a pump shotgun isn't dangerous but a semi auto shotgun is.

Have no beef with barrel shrouds

a moon clip does allow someone to reload a revolver as fast as a mag change in a glock and should be either outlawed or very tightly regulated in the way obscene speech is regulated.

A Shotgun Speedloader is dangerous and pump action shotguns should be outlawed or very tightly regulated in the way obscene speech is regulated.

A home can be defended with a double-barreled shotgun and people who desire to carry concealed weapons as insurance against coercion from private citizens can carry a single action army that loads one round at a time. County and city governments can have armories of last resort that are well regulated that citizens can go to in the event of government tyranny.

So, to me, arms beyond those capacities need some more justification for their widespread availability considering that the harm their users are causing seems to be outweighing the pleasure they give their users/owners.

BoatShoes;1350776 wrote:Have no beef with barrel shrouds

a moon clip does allow someone to reload a revolver as fast as a mag change in a glock and should be either outlawed or very tightly regulated in the way obscene speech is regulated.

A Shotgun Speedloader is dangerous and pump action shotguns should be outlawed or very tightly regulated in the way obscene speech is regulated.

A home can be defended with a double-barreled shotgun and people who desire to carry concealed weapons as insurance against coercion from private citizens can carry a single action army that loads one round at a time. County and city governments can have armories of last resort that are well regulated that citizens can go to in the event of government tyranny.

So, to me, arms beyond those capacities need some more justification for their widespread availability considering that the harm their users are causing seems to be outweighing the pleasure they give their users/owners.

WOW....Full anti.... Well, no use arguing with you.

LJ;1350771 wrote:Lol thanks for proving my point with the part right after your bolded part LOL

sigh...your point is not proven. the traditional distinction has been erased over time in our vernacular and this has been acknowledged by the custodians of language, the NRA, the military and weapons manufacturers and is only held onto for elitist reasons by folks such as yourself because it makes you get good feelings when you tell teh liberalz how st00pid they are instead of debating in good faith on the issue of gun violence in the United States.

LJ;1350778 wrote:WOW....Full anti.... Well, no use arguing with you.

What utility does a pump action shotgun provide to a private citizen that is not matched by a double-barreled shotgun? Establish that and it may be worth arguing with me.

It seems these crimes are clearly committed by deranged people in a lot of cases...maybe we can root it out with better background checks and training.

As you point out...a lot of damage can be done with guns that are not sem-automatic or "assault weapons" so it seems to me they should all be regulated if we're going to regulate those.

BoatShoes;1350779 wrote:sigh...your point is not proven. the traditional distinction has been erased over time in our vernacular and this has been acknowledged by the custodians of language, the NRA, the military and weapons manufacturers and is only held onto for elitist reasons by folks such as yourself because it makes you get good feelings when you tell teh liberalz how st00pid they are instead of debating in good faith on the issue of gun violence in the United States.

I've debated " in good faith" many many many times on here. There really is no point with an anti such as you. Just trying to educate you.

And good feelings? Nah. I've asked for a new salesman at Vances before when they used "clip". He was their hired "ar15 expert" in 2006 . He was a moron.

LJ;1350772 wrote:From same link, LOL

Magazine
A spring-loaded container for cartridges

No definition of clip says that. None. None at all. Nowhere.

You must've missed the Webster definition that defined a Clip as a magazine from which you could substitute the definition of magazine following the substitution property.

This is silliness. The referent is clear. I am sorry that the language has evolved and it is used interchangeably by lots of Mall Ninjas, the army, etc. and you long for the days of definitional purity 80 years ago but alas. Personally I blame Nate Dogg and Warren G.

BoatShoes;1350787 wrote:You must've missed the Webster definition that defined a Clip as a magazine from which you could substitute the definition of magazine following the substitution property.

This is silliness. The referent is clear. I am sorry that the language has evolved and it is used interchangeably by lots of Mall Ninjas, the army, etc. and you long for the days of definitional purity 80 years ago but alas. Personally I blame Nate Dogg and Warren G.

Try harder

ccrunner609;1350788 wrote:this thread has gone off the rails

True. Maybe it should just all be kept to the ct and gun control thread