Westie101
Posts: 847
Jan 14, 2013 11:38am
Maybe is was # of returning district qualifiers to break the tie or something along those lines?Coach Ramirez;1365863 wrote:Not sure what "unbreakable tie" means? Grove City and West both had 27 pts in voting and Grove City is listed as #3 seed in final vote tally, but West is listed as #3 seed in bracket. Not sure what is going on there?
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monarchpride
Posts: 189
Jan 14, 2013 11:38am
Dont' know this but just a guess, listed alphabetically, then I am guessing for unbreakable tie they flipped a coin.
Again just a guess
Again just a guess
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bump_and_run
Posts: 321
Jan 14, 2013 1:03pm
lol didn't i just see somewhere that watkins finished fifth out of 34 teams at marion-elgin and they are only 7th best out of these 8? wow that's a tough region.theviking;1365808 wrote:Region 6 B
1 Mt Vernon
8 reynoldsburg
5 pick noth
4 lancaster
3 TV
6 Lincoln
7 watkins
2 pick cent
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Jan 14, 2013 1:33pm
They are only seeded 7th because the coaches in that region collectively voted fr them to be 7th.bump_and_run;1365925 wrote:lol didn't i just see somewhere that watkins finished fifth out of 34 teams at marion-elgin and they are only 7th best out of these 8? wow that's a tough region.
In addition, tournament teams are not always the same as a dual team from a success perspective. Scoring well in a tournament doesn't mean you have the breadth and depth to do well in a dual.
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bump_and_run
Posts: 321
Jan 14, 2013 2:09pm
I understand how the process works and was not questioning the seed -- just a sincere observation about the strength of the division they are in.Con_Alma;1365950 wrote:They are only seeded 7th because the coaches in that region collectively voted fr them to be 7th.
In addition, tournament teams are not always the same as a dual team from a success perspective. Scoring well in a tournament doesn't mean you have the breadth and depth to do well in a dual.
I also understand how a team does better in tournaments with a few of their kids getting multiple opportunities to log lots of bonus points with pins and what not, and I agree that watkins probably is that type of team.
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Cthelites
Posts: 1,951
Jan 14, 2013 5:51pm
well I guess I had tw flipped with the wrong team...hmmmm!Cthelites;1365101 wrote:5B top seeds might be...
1 darby
2 westerville north
3 thomas
4 bradley
Maybe flip wn and tw with their big win over R6 top seed hdv
1 darby
2 wn
3 bradley
4 tw
5 wk
6 ws
7 whetstone
8 na
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Cthelites
Posts: 1,951
Jan 14, 2013 10:15pm
Id like to see the coaches votes on these seeds.
Is their a link?
Cruiser?
Is their a link?
Cruiser?
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Cthelites
Posts: 1,951
Jan 14, 2013 11:02pm
Latest coaches poll(last week)
Top teams: 1. Marysville; 2. Mount Vernon; 3. Hilliard Davidson; 4. Hilliard Darby; 5. Delaware Hayes; 6. Thomas Worthington; 7. Westerville North; 8. Pickerington Central; 9. Olentangy Orange; 10. Teays Valley.
Others receiving top 10 votes: Olentangy Liberty (2).
Team rank in ( )
Sub Region ranking points in Bold ...1st gets 10 points and so on
Reg 5A: 17 pts
1. Marysville (1)
2. Delaware Hayes (6)
3. Olentangy Orange (9)
4. Ashland
5. Olentangy
6. Dublin Coffman
7. Westerville Central
8. Dublin Scioto
Reg 5B 16 pts
1. Hilliard Darby (4)
2. Westerville North (7)
3. Hilliard Bradley
4. Thomas Worthington (6)
5. Worthington Kilbourne
6. Westerville South
7. Whetstone
8. New Albany
Region 6A 8 pts
1) Hilliard Davidson (3)
2) Upper Arlington
3) Grove City
4) West
5) Westland
6) Central Crossing
7) Franklin Heights
8) Groveport Madison
Region 6B 12 pts
1 Mt Vernon (2)
2 pick cent (9)
3 TV (10)
4 lancaster
5 pick noth
6 Lincoln
7 watkins
8 reynoldsburg
Seems kind of out of whack.
And this is even after they moved Mt Vernon out of R 5A.
Should they do it like the sectional seedings?
Top teams: 1. Marysville; 2. Mount Vernon; 3. Hilliard Davidson; 4. Hilliard Darby; 5. Delaware Hayes; 6. Thomas Worthington; 7. Westerville North; 8. Pickerington Central; 9. Olentangy Orange; 10. Teays Valley.
Others receiving top 10 votes: Olentangy Liberty (2).
Team rank in ( )
Sub Region ranking points in Bold ...1st gets 10 points and so on
Reg 5A: 17 pts
1. Marysville (1)
2. Delaware Hayes (6)
3. Olentangy Orange (9)
4. Ashland
5. Olentangy
6. Dublin Coffman
7. Westerville Central
8. Dublin Scioto
Reg 5B 16 pts
1. Hilliard Darby (4)
2. Westerville North (7)
3. Hilliard Bradley
4. Thomas Worthington (6)
5. Worthington Kilbourne
6. Westerville South
7. Whetstone
8. New Albany
1) Hilliard Davidson (3)
2) Upper Arlington
3) Grove City
4) West
5) Westland
6) Central Crossing
7) Franklin Heights
8) Groveport Madison
Region 6B 12 pts
1 Mt Vernon (2)
2 pick cent (9)
3 TV (10)
4 lancaster
5 pick noth
6 Lincoln
7 watkins
8 reynoldsburg
Seems kind of out of whack.
And this is even after they moved Mt Vernon out of R 5A.
Should they do it like the sectional seedings?
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Jan 15, 2013 7:48am
Cthelites: Only the coaches who voted can access their region's voting info.
As far as sectional seeding-esque for the state duals... it's certainly an option. The OHSAA is trying it geographically this year. Or should I say, "geographically"?
One of the things I don't like is saying you are going to do it geographically, and then when the lines are drawn, saying, this isn't good based on competition level.
As far as sectional seeding-esque for the state duals... it's certainly an option. The OHSAA is trying it geographically this year. Or should I say, "geographically"?
One of the things I don't like is saying you are going to do it geographically, and then when the lines are drawn, saying, this isn't good based on competition level.
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kennypowers
Posts: 120
Jan 15, 2013 9:04am
The sectional seeding is typically "out of whack" as well. Plus, isn't the central district one of the few that still seeds teams and doesn't just assign them?
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Cthelites
Posts: 1,951
Jan 15, 2013 9:09am
Yeskennypowers;1366419 wrote:The sectional seeding is typically "out of whack" as well. Plus, isn't the central district one of the few that still seeds teams and doesn't just assign them?
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Cthelites
Posts: 1,951
Jan 15, 2013 9:17am
Yes, I know, but Id like to see that. Im interested to see who exactly knows what is going on within their district.cruiser_96;1366358 wrote:Cthelites: Only the coaches who voted can access their region's voting info.
As far as sectional seeding-esque for the state duals... it's certainly an option. The OHSAA is trying it geographically this year. Or should I say, "geographically"?
One of the things I don't like is saying you are going to do it geographically, and then when the lines are drawn, saying, this isn't good based on competition level.
Was reading over on crappi that some coaches didnt vote thus allowed them to gain higher seeding because for some unknown reason the votes werent averaged out.
I get that this is the first yr and there are going to be some kinks to work out but that is just a blatant lack of integrity! That should be corrected now and easily fixed by just taking the average.
USMCdevil2005
Posts: 950
Jan 15, 2013 9:24am
This will be interesting. Excites to see how this all plays put this year and what changes they will make for next year.
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Cthelites
Posts: 1,951
Jan 15, 2013 10:52am
Im with you!USMCdevil2005;1366441 wrote:This will be interesting. Excites to see how this all plays put this year and what changes they will make for next year.
I think it is GREAT for the sport!
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Jan 15, 2013 11:22am
Aaaaah. Gotcha.Cthelites;1366430 wrote:Yes, I know, but Id like to see that. Im interested to see who exactly knows what is going on within their district.
Was reading over on crappi that some coaches didnt vote thus allowed them to gain higher seeding because for some unknown reason the votes werent averaged out.
I get that this is the first yr and there are going to be some kinks to work out but that is just a blatant lack of integrity! That should be corrected now and easily fixed by just taking the average.
And trust me... you don't want to know! It's bad. I had a top 10 from a coach the other day that did NOT have Mount Vernon, but, mysteriously, had two other teams from their OCC division, and had them! (Needless to say, I did not advertise their team receiving a top 10 vote.) SMH...
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Cthelites
Posts: 1,951
Jan 15, 2013 11:56am
That is just wrong! Thats why they need to be published.cruiser_96;1366550 wrote:Aaaaah. Gotcha.
And trust me... you don't want to know! It's bad. I had a top 10 from a coach the other day that did NOT have Mount Vernon, but, mysteriously, had two other teams from their OCC division, and had them! (Needless to say, I did not advertise their team receiving a top 10 vote.) SMH...
Why not anyways? If you vote a certain way then you should stand by your convictions if someone disagrees with you...unless...something stinks in Suburbia.
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bump_and_run
Posts: 321
Jan 15, 2013 1:36pm
would it be so hard to just seed them based on existing dual records? of course that's not perfect and would still result in some silly seeding but it probably wouldn't be worse and at least would have objectivity on its side...Cthelites;1366597 wrote:That is just wrong! Thats why they need to be published.
Why not anyways? If you vote a certain way then you should stand by your convictions if someone disagrees with you...unless...something stinks in Suburbia.
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1prouddad
Posts: 440
Jan 15, 2013 3:52pm
I like the suggestion on Yappi. Sub-region A coaches vote on Sub-region B seeds and vice versa.
- just my 2 cents
- just my 2 cents
USMCdevil2005
Posts: 950
Jan 15, 2013 9:19pm
I think that could work but some of the stuff cruiser just said about coaches voting would play into that as well.1prouddad;1366767 wrote:I like the suggestion on Yappi. Sub-region A coaches vote on Sub-region B seeds and vice versa.
- just my 2 cents
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1prouddad
Posts: 440
Jan 15, 2013 11:01pm
True. Im just happy they started this tournament. But my guess is OHSAA will have to revise the seeding process next year. I bet there is controversy all over the state about the current method. Im sure they will figure something out.USMCdevil2005;1366872 wrote:I think that could work but some of the stuff cruiser just said about coaches voting would play into that as well.
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bump_and_run
Posts: 321
Jan 16, 2013 9:14am
i think the answer is pretty obvious, guys. ohiochatter should seed the teams. then it would be PERFECT
cruiser_96
Posts: 7,536
Jan 16, 2013 9:21am
:thumbup:bump_and_run;1367041 wrote:i think the answer is pretty obvious, guys. ohiochatter should seed the teams. then it would be PERFECT
USMCdevil2005
Posts: 950
Jan 17, 2013 11:20pm
It could happen!!! lol We all vote on it!bump_and_run;1367041 wrote:i think the answer is pretty obvious, guys. ohiochatter should seed the teams. then it would be PERFECT
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bump_and_run
Posts: 321
Jan 18, 2013 9:05am
well, except for the 30 new accounts that would pop up the night before voting lol
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kennypowers
Posts: 120
Jan 18, 2013 11:54am
At least we know who would be first seed, ah devil?