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rydawg5

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Dec 19, 2012 1:33 AM
Simple question- want to see where most vote.
Dec 18, 2012 8:33pm
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Dec 19, 2012 1:43 AM
I voted yes but not fully automatic guns. I dont believe any semi auto gun should be banned. Imo its not going to change anything. If people want to kill people they can buy black market guns.
Dec 18, 2012 8:43pm
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Fred Garvin

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Dec 19, 2012 1:44 AM
I voted yes- but not fully automatic. I might be persuaded to change that to include assault rifles, but I have seen too many definitions of "assault weapon". The term gets used very loosely.

FYI- I own multiple guns (rifles, shotguns, and handguns, and am not done purchasing).
Dec 18, 2012 8:44pm
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slingshot4ever

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Dec 19, 2012 2:50 AM
Only hunting guns for me.
Dec 18, 2012 9:50pm
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O-Trap

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Dec 19, 2012 2:52 AM
I'm okay with allowing any type of gun, really, though this isn't as hot a topic for me as it is for a lot of people.
Dec 18, 2012 9:52pm
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Dec 19, 2012 2:55 AM
Yes, guns should be legal.
Dec 18, 2012 9:55pm
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Classyposter58

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Dec 19, 2012 3:07 AM
Criminals would have such an unfair advantage it's unreal knowing people can't defend themselves. But come on, this is America, we're the most independent and free country in the world, no way could they ever be made illegal. If the government tried a rebellion would definitely happen, no doubt about it
Dec 18, 2012 10:07pm
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Dec 19, 2012 3:11 AM
Classyposter58;1346930 wrote:Criminals would have such an unfair advantage it's unreal knowing people can't defend themselves. But come on, this is America, we're the most independent and free country in the world, no way could they ever be made illegal. If the government tried a rebellion would definitely happen, no doubt about it
Reminds me of a flight I was on one time. The guy sitting next to me ended up being a former member of the KGB (started the convo by asking about his passport). I asked him why the Soviets never invaded the US, and he told me that it was because our civilians were armed in addition to our military. His exact words were, "Why? All your people have guns!"
Dec 18, 2012 10:11pm
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gut

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Dec 19, 2012 3:43 AM
There's no such thing as former KGB. If he were really KGB, you'd be dead :D
Dec 18, 2012 10:43pm
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Dec 19, 2012 3:47 AM
gut;1346950 wrote:There's no such thing as former KGB. If he were really KGB, you'd be dead :D
LOL

Someone knows things that arouse more questions than answers.
Dec 18, 2012 10:47pm
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Dec 19, 2012 4:19 AM
Yes, all guns. Your poll is using the media misinformation terminology, I see. Full auto IS an assault weapon. They are already class III. Semi-automatic firearms ARE NOT assault weapons. Just because they look dangerous, they are no different from the rifles used in WWII. One pull of the trigger, one shot. That's it. I hate the way the media has labeled ARs and AKs as "assault" weapons just because they look deadly and everyone now calls them that.



M1 Garand, 1st semi-automatic rifle ever used.




Bushmaster AR-15, semi-automatic rifle.




Absolutely NO difference in the way both guns shoot, yet no one would look at a Garand and call it an "assault" weapon. Just because the AR is black, polymer, and has a large magazine it's more deadly? Pure media bullshit.
Dec 18, 2012 11:19pm
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Dec 19, 2012 4:29 AM
tk421;1346967 wrote:Yes, all guns. Your poll is using the media misinformation terminology, I see. Full auto IS an assault weapon. They are already class III. Semi-automatic firearms ARE NOT assault weapons. Just because they look dangerous, they are no different from the rifles used in WWII. One pull of the trigger, one shot. That's it. I hate the way the media has labeled ARs and AKs as "assault" weapons just because they look deadly and everyone now calls them that.



M1 Garand, 1st semi-automatic rifle ever used.




Bushmaster AR-15, semi-automatic rifle.




Absolutely NO difference in the way both guns shoot, yet no one would look at a Garand and call it an "assault" weapon. Just because the AR is black, polymer, and has a large magazine it's more deadly? Pure media bullshit.
Isn't the M1 a .30 caliber vs the ar which is .223?
Dec 18, 2012 11:29pm
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Dec 19, 2012 4:37 AM
different caliber, but they both shoot the exact same way. Both semi-auto. So, is it caliber that makes something an "assault" weapon then?
Dec 18, 2012 11:37pm
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Dec 19, 2012 4:39 AM
tk421;1346972 wrote:different caliber, but they both shoot the exact same way. Both semi-auto. So, is it caliber that makes something an "assault" weapon then?
What's the magazine size?
Dec 18, 2012 11:39pm
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Dec 19, 2012 4:42 AM
what difference does it make? You can kill someone just as well with a 10 round magazine as opposed to a 30 round one. The media acts like no one with 10 rounds is a danger. It takes 2 seconds to reload.
Dec 18, 2012 11:42pm
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Dec 19, 2012 5:29 AM
tk421;1346975 wrote:what difference does it make? You can kill someone just as well with a 10 round magazine as opposed to a 30 round one. The media acts like no one with 10 rounds is a danger. It takes 2 seconds to reload.
Oh I agree, but I can see the difference between being able to kill 3-5 people before reloading and 9-15 people before reloading. One would indeed seem more ideal for a spree.
Dec 19, 2012 12:29am
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Dec 19, 2012 5:53 AM
The problem, well one of them, that I have with banning "assault" rifles is that it sets a dangerous precedent. I think we can all agree that banning these rifles will do nothing to stop these terrible acts, so next time when someone uses a handgun or revolver or something else, it's just another thing for them to ban and now we have precedent to do it. Pretty soon all guns are banned. Slippery slope.
Dec 19, 2012 12:53am
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Commander of Awesome

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Dec 19, 2012 6:21 AM
I voted no guns. but I think hunting is stupid though. I don't see the "sport" in shooting a deer from 100 yds away with a high powered rifle.
Dec 19, 2012 1:21am
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Dec 19, 2012 7:35 AM
I'm not a hunter either, but that's no reason to get rid of guns. It's fun and a good sport to get into. This is more my speed hunting deer.

Dec 19, 2012 2:35am
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Con_Alma

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Dec 19, 2012 11:12 AM
Of course and it shall not be infringed upon.
Dec 19, 2012 6:12am
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Dec 19, 2012 12:42 PM
Quoting the second amendment is a weak argument - blacks were property back then and women had zero rights. It needs to evolve.

I think there should be a medical and full mental illness background check when you buy a gun too. I think they should limit the amount and types of weapons you should be allowed to keep in your home. If you have a large collection then it should be stored at a gun store/range that has the proper safety to lock up large amounts of weapons. No reason to have an arsenal in your home, especially with a mental fuck up of a kid.

Hand gun for protection and concealed carry and a hunting rifle if you hunt. Seems like overkill to own guns with the same technology the military uses.
Dec 19, 2012 7:42am
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Dec 19, 2012 1:15 PM
tk421;1346972 wrote:different caliber, but they both shoot the exact same way. Both semi-auto. So, is it caliber that makes something an "assault" weapon then?
Lol at Assault weapon. Not you, just the term assault weapon. Banning things by how they look is stupid. A shotgun or hunting rifle is more dangerous. But the media likes to build up buzz and "assault weapon" sounds scary.
Dec 19, 2012 8:15am
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Dec 19, 2012 1:30 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1347057 wrote:Quoting the second amendment is a weak argument - blacks were property back then and women had zero rights. It needs to evolve.

I think there should be a medical and full mental illness background check when you buy a gun too. I think they should limit the amount and types of weapons you should be allowed to keep in your home. If you have a large collection then it should be stored at a gun store/range that has the proper safety to lock up large amounts of weapons. No reason to have an arsenal in your home, especially with a mental fuck up of a kid.

Hand gun for protection and concealed carry and a hunting rifle if you hunt. Seems like overkill to own guns with the same technology the military uses.

Technology the military uses? Like night vision and heat seeking missiles?
Dec 19, 2012 8:30am
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Con_Alma

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Dec 19, 2012 1:37 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;1347057 wrote:Quoting the second amendment is a weak argument - blacks were property back then and women had zero rights. It needs to evolve.

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Is it O.K. to refer to these more recent court cases?

In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia.

It's part of the evolution you refer to.
Dec 19, 2012 8:37am
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Dec 19, 2012 1:48 PM
LJ;1347074 wrote:Technology the military uses? Like night vision and heat seeking missiles?
Do you need a gas operated select fire rifle? Just wondering...
Dec 19, 2012 8:48am