LOL @ you morons acting like the nurse was supposed to have run down the hall and tried to take down a gunman. Sometimes when I think this site is void of any redeeming value it's saved by the entertainment that stems from things like the big talk of cross country super-heroes, etc.

That maniac would have blown your legs off at the knees, CC. Then what the hell are you gonna do with yourself?

The solution is bulletproof doors on the classrooms etc that can be controlled and locked from the main office.

ThePatriot;1345235 wrote:LOL @ you morons acting like the nurse was supposed to have run down the hall and tried to take down a gunman. Sometimes when I think this site is void of any redeeming value it's saved by the entertainment that stems from things like the big talk of cross country super-heroes, etc.

That maniac would have blown your legs off at the knees, CC. Then what the hell are you gonna do with yourself?

The solution is bulletproof doors on the classrooms etc that can be controlled and locked from the main office.

+1

Also... what happens to the school now? I for one wouldn't want to go back in there and try and teach a class knowing what happened in that room(s)

Pick6;1345227 wrote:Looking at the parents' view...how hard would it be for them to do that? Telling somebody that you think your kid is a danger to society has to be very hard for a parent to do or even come to terms with it...even though deep down they know.

Im not a parent, but feel that would be something really hard for me to do. Probably make me feel like I failed at raising my kid.

This gives some real insight to that. Very sad to read.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/17/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-when-parents-are-afraid-of-their-children/

ThePatriot;1345235 wrote:
The solution is bulletproof doors on the classrooms etc that can be controlled and locked from the main office.

Good idea. But things like that would take a very long time to implement. All current schools would need to be retrofitted, and the money simply is not there for a lot of schools. I like that way of thinking though.

For all you religious right wingers - Joel Olsteen (the smarmy evangelist from TX and his money sucking wife) were just on the Today show and when Laurer said we are all seeking answers today - this asshole said God's free will plan also sometimes includes those who choose the free will path of committing evil. But all the rest of us need to keep our faith and choose the path of good and righteousness.

Maybe Adam Lanza was the world's most fervent believer in God and knowing that God was giving him free will to do whatever he wanted made his heinous act OK? The Bible thumpers took a huge hit this past weekend and they are circling the wagons because they are probably more worried of losing members today than the NRA is.

WebFire;1345273 wrote:Good idea. But things like that would take a very long time to implement. All current schools would need to be retrofitted, and the money simply is not there for a lot of schools. I like that way of thinking though.

2 issues that I have with it

1-what you said...money. Some (probably most) schools simply do not have the money to do this.

2-it would prevent a gunman from walking down the halls spraying students/staff. But it wouldn't prevent him from getting in that first room. If he/she actually got into the school, he could walk into a room and kill 20? 30? students. You simply cannot stop this from happening, no matter what you do/implement. My opinion of course

Tiernan;1345289 wrote:...

Maybe Adam Lanza was the world's most fervent believer in God and knowing that God was giving him free will to do whatever he wanted made his heinous act OK? The Bible thumpers took a huge hit this past weekend and they are circling the wagons because they are probably more worried of losing members today than the NRA is.

Although this would probably please you these incidents tend to unify and solidify "fringe" Christians.

Con_Alma;1345293 wrote:Although this would probably please you these incidents tend to unify and solidify "fringe" Christians.

What about "fringe" Jews, Muslims and Hindis...don't they also believe in a God who grants "free will"?

SportsAndLady;1345292 wrote:2 issues that I have with it
2-it would prevent a gunman from walking down the halls spraying students/staff. But it wouldn't prevent him from getting in that first room. If he/she actually got into the school, he could walk into a room and kill 20? 30? students. You simply cannot stop this from happening, no matter what you do/implement. My opinion of course

Sure. There is no one single answer that will work for each and every occurrence. It would take a combination of things to really "prevent" it, and even then no guarantees. And how far are we willing to go? And who will foot the bill?

WebFire;1345298 wrote:Sure. There is no one single answer that will work for each and every occurrence. It would take a combination of things to really "prevent" it, and even then no guarantees. And how far are we willing to go? And who will foot the bill?

Did you see obamas speech last night? He said he'll do everything in his power to make sure this is prevented...so im sure the answer to your bill question is the federal government.

LJ;1344339 wrote:If it's registered, then she has had it in the state of Connecticut for 18 years. You cannot transfer them or purchase them after October 1 1993, and you had to have applied for a permit before July 1 1994. So yes, his possession of the AR15 was a felony. That didn't stop him did it?

Either that, or it wasn't even an AR15 and the media is just completely ****ing this up.

The state is also one of seven to have an assault weapons ban that specifically lists more than 35 semiautomatic and automatic weapons. It does not appear to cover the .223 caliber rifle used in Friday’s attack.
http://www.twincities.com/politics-national/2012/12/connecticut-gun-laws-among-the-toughest-in-the-u-s/

SportsAndLady;1345302 wrote:Did you see obamas speech last night? He said he'll do everything in his power to make sure this is prevented...so im sure the answer to your bill question is the federal government.

Put it under a domestic terrorism threat and divert a few hundred million of the $700 billion defense budget to the cause. They're going to spend the money anyway, and I'm sure DARPA can do without the money to develop a robot that can launch mortars at the same time it heats up an eggo waffle.

Tiernan;1345297 wrote:What about "fringe" Jews, Muslims and Hindis...don't they also believe in a God who grants "free will"?

I don't know. That's something you would have to ask a Jew, Muslim or Hindu.

Tiernan;1345195 wrote:You missed my point Shermy - I did not say every person with autism is a weirdo or violent, but too many people who are around the ones who are, do not want to make the call to police and say "I live with a person I believe may harm others at some point." This guy's parents, brother and some neighbors knew he had violent tndencies and what does Mom do?...she takes him target shooting! I've known some very loving kids with autism and I'm sorry my post didn't differentiate better.

I'll accept your apology, and rescind my angry post. Your initial post there shouldn't have pointed the finger at autism (although I understand why you did it seeing as how this shooter was autistic). Your post should have painted with the wider brush of "those with mental health issues who are a danger to themselves or others" because this goes much deeper than people with autism. A person with bi-polar disorder who goes off their medication is absolutely capable of doing something like this.

But it's not as easy as just calling the cops and saying, "come get my kid, he might end up killing someone some day." You can't lock someone up because they might do something some day down the road. But they do need help. We need a better system in this country that can help those who can't afford to receive the mental health help they need.

Con_Alma;1345308 wrote:I don't know. That's something you would have to ask a Jew, Muslim or Hindu.

weigh in on the the thread in the Basement, I didn't mean for this thread to get derailed with religious BS.

isadore;1345303 wrote:The state is also one of seven to have an assault weapons ban that specifically lists more than 35 semiautomatic and automatic weapons. It does not appear to cover the .223 caliber rifle used in Friday’s attack.
http://www.twincities.com/politics-national/2012/12/connecticut-gun-laws-among-the-toughest-in-the-u-s/

The fact you have that as your signature just shows you didn't even understand what my comment meant. Not surprised though.

Tiernan;1345315 wrote:weigh in on the the thread in the Basement, I didn't mean for this thread to get derailed with religious BS.

I did. I posted the same response.

sherm03;1345314 wrote: We need a better system in this country that can help those who can't afford to receive the mental health help they need.

We need a "watch program" on those who have been identified as potential threats. If a law enforcement authority of some type had been assigned to occasionally drop in on Adam Lanza letting himself and his parents know he was being survelied, both he and them might have been more cognizant of what the little shit was up to. If he is getting some type of mental helath counseling on top of that, even better. But the key is to let the ones with violent tendencies to know they have been identified, just like we do with child predators. Its not foolproof but its a start.

Tiernan;1345320 wrote:We need a "watch program" on those who have been identified as potential threats. If a law enforcement authority of some type had been assigned to occasionally drop in on Adam Lanza letting himself and his parents know he was being survelied, both he and them might have been more cognizant of what the little shit was up to. If he is getting some type of mental helath counseling on top of that, even better. But the key is to let the ones with violent tendencies to know they have been identified, just like we do with child predators. Its not foolproof but its a start.

It all comes down to money. In towns and cities where the budget is strained so much that officers are being laid off, are they going to have the resources to "check in" on the people that have been identified? And it's not like they are going to do it every day, so all Lanza would have done was waiting until he was checked on, and then he'd know that it wasn't happening the following day. Who's to say the cop doesn't check on him, everything seems fine, and the cop leaves...and then Lanza goes through with his plan?

WebFire;1345316 wrote:The fact you have that as your signature just shows you didn't even understand what my comment meant. Not surprised though.

gosh a ruddies go ahead and say whatever you like, he's got you covered.

Like I said, its not foolproof but we gotta start somewhere. These types love to sherk along the fringe of society trying to almost be invisible. Just by letting them know "Hey pal guess what...you ain't invisible and we're watching your squagly ass every Fk'n day." maybe they think twice before pulling something like this.

Tiernan;1345345 wrote:Like I said, its not foolproof but we gotta start somewhere. These types love to sherk along the fringe of society trying to almost be invisible. Just by letting them know "Hey pal guess what...you ain't invisible and we're watching your squagly ass every Fk'n day." maybe they think twice before pulling something like this.

I think treating those with mental health issues like sex offenders is a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? What about those with a clean bill of mental health that exhibit violent tendencies? Do we have to check-in on them as well?

How does someone with violent tendencies have a "clean bill of mental health"? sounds like an oxymoron.

sherm03;1345370 wrote:I think treating those with mental health issues like sex offenders is a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line? What about those with a clean bill of mental health that exhibit violent tendencies? Do we have to check-in on them as well?

Not to mention its sex offenders. Not possible future sex offenders who haven't done anything wrong yet. Pretty key distinction.

You can't label, surveil, or lock up everyone with creepy or defective tendencies because you don't trust them.

Tiernan;1345377 wrote:How does someone with violent tendencies have a "clean bill of mental health"? sounds like an oxymoron.

Someone could have a clean bill of mental health, but when they drink, they get extremely violent. Someone could be perfectly fine, but find out that his wife is cheating on him and he goes on a spree killing everyone in the neighborhood.

Might sound like an oxymoron to you, but it's absolutely possible.