Crimson streak
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Dec 9, 2012 7:26pm
Commander of Awesome;1339345 wrote:Don't want any player from ND. They just don't transition well to the NFL.
Really? ND's tight ends have been nothing but solid. Rudolph, Fasano, Carlson. I think Eiffert is the best of them all. Now qb's that's another story lol
Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 9, 2012 7:36pm
I don't want a "solid" TE in the first round. (I highly disagree with you on them being solid as well). I can't think of a player in the last 10 yrs, probably longer thats been a good player in the NFL from ND.
se-alum
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Dec 9, 2012 7:43pm
Justin Tuck.Commander of Awesome;1339354 wrote:I don't want a "solid" TE in the first round. (I highly disagree with you on them being solid as well). I can't think of a player in the last 10 yrs, probably longer thats been a good player in the NFL from ND.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 9, 2012 7:43pm
I didn't think he was talking about taking him in the first rd, but if he was excuse me while I LMAO. Taking a TE in the first round would be such a waste. I say go defense in the first round. There is a lot of defensive talent in this draft class.Commander of Awesome;1339354 wrote:I don't want a "solid" TE in the first round. (I highly disagree with you on them being solid as well). I can't think of a player in the last 10 yrs, probably longer thats been a good player in the NFL from ND.
Also I can't think of a player in the last 10 years either. Golden Tate is one of the bigger douches in the NFL. I think Zibokowski legit might be the best ND player in the NFL right now.
killer_ewok
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Dec 9, 2012 7:46pm
se-alum;1339359 wrote:Justin Tuck.
Yep.
like_that
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Dec 9, 2012 7:47pm
Actually I take that back, forgot Justin Tuck went to ND.
Crimson streak
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Dec 9, 2012 7:48pm
Harrison smith is having a hell of a year for the Vikings also. I was thinking Eiffert in the 2nd and then I forgot we don't have a 2nd lol so nvm
Commander of Awesome
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Dec 9, 2012 7:57pm
Justin Tuck is the best player in the past 15 yrs in the NFL from ND. To use him as the reason to draft a TE from their in the first round is ridiculous though. Might as well say draft the best player from SD State bc Marshall Faulk went there.
dazedconfused
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Dec 9, 2012 8:03pm
we'd be right in the milliner range for the draft...i'd be fine with that
killer_ewok
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Dec 9, 2012 8:04pm
Commander of Awesome;1339373 wrote:Justin Tuck is the best player in the past 15 yrs in the NFL from ND. To use him as the reason to draft a TE from their in the first round is ridiculous though. Might as well say draft the best player from SD State bc Marshall Faulk went there.
I don't think anyone was using Justin Tuck as a reason to justify drafting Eifert in the 1st round (and crimson already stated he didn't mean take him in the 1st). Rather, it was simply mentioned to refute the statement that there haven't been any good players in the NFL from ND in the last 10 years.
Crimson streak
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Dec 9, 2012 8:10pm
Honestly once nd players go pro I could give 2 shits about how well they do. Sure it's nice to see them do well unless they play for the steelers or ravens. I just think Eiffert will be a very good te in the nfl. I would feel the same of he went to USC or Ohio st or wherever. I forgot we didn't have a 2nd rounder this year so the point is moot
Ironman92
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Dec 9, 2012 8:53pm
The best ND player in the pros might be pitching for teh Cubs.
like_that
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Dec 9, 2012 9:22pm
Did anyone see the "paycheck hillis" sign in the endzone? That brought the lulz.
Ironman92
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Dec 9, 2012 9:23pm
like_that;1339438 wrote:Did anyone see the "paycheck hillis" sign in the endzone? That brought the lulz.
Ridiculous he got that much money. Sounds like Thomas and the boys were right and took it to him today.
derek bomar
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Dec 10, 2012 11:14am
Minnesota's TE isn't too badCommander of Awesome;1339373 wrote:Justin Tuck is the best player in the past 15 yrs in the NFL from ND. To use him as the reason to draft a TE from their in the first round is ridiculous though. Might as well say draft the best player from SD State bc Marshall Faulk went there.
Commander of Awesome
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Dec 10, 2012 11:20am
661 yds on his career. That's prety shitty for a high 2nd round TE. 400 yds this season, if it wasn't for the TDs you wouldn't be saying that. We'll see if he keeps up the TD production or is the next Mercedes Lewis.derek bomar;1339685 wrote:Minnesota's TE isn't too bad
Commander of Awesome
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Dec 10, 2012 11:22am
Rudolph is 21st in the league by yds. lol not that bad but in the bottom half of the league. Come on guys, you got to be fucking kidding me with this bullshit. You're arguing with Kyle Rudolph?
killer_ewok
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Dec 10, 2012 12:17pm
Point taken on the yards but tied for 2nd in the NFL amongst TE's with 8 receiving TD's (tied with Jimmy Graham and only Gronk is ahead of them) is pretty good company to be in.Commander of Awesome;1339695 wrote:Rudolph is 21st in the league by yds. lol not that bad but in the bottom half of the league. Come on guys, you got to be fucking kidding me with this bullshit. You're arguing with Kyle Rudolph?
Commander of Awesome
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Dec 10, 2012 12:24pm
Mercedes Lewis led the league in TDs by TEs few seasons ago, and 2 seasons ago Vernon Davis led the league in TD catches. None have even come close to repeating the production. Majority of the time, when TDs come only in the RZ its a bit flukey. I don't envision Rudolph having 8 TD catches next season.
derek bomar
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Dec 10, 2012 1:42pm
I said he's not that bad. He's not the best TE in the league, but then again Christian Ponder is a worthless piece of shit when it comes to being able to actually throw the ball (although he has a hot fiance, so kudos to him)...
Commander of Awesome
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Dec 10, 2012 1:45pm
His fiance is solid, but not NFL QB hot IMO. I'd expect him to do better.
Commander of Awesome
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Dec 10, 2012 1:46pm
Laley23
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Dec 10, 2012 1:50pm
Tyler Eiffert will be a very solid TE in the pros. Maybe a Pro Bowler with a good QB.
That said, you dont take TEs early. They are too easy to find elsewhere and get production out of. Look at who is tops right now...Graham and Gronk (and Hernandez when healthy). I have no clue when they were drafted, but I do know Gresham and Rudolph and Pettigrew and etc etc etc were taken in the first 2 rounds and are not worth that pick compared to later or undrafted TEs.
That said, you dont take TEs early. They are too easy to find elsewhere and get production out of. Look at who is tops right now...Graham and Gronk (and Hernandez when healthy). I have no clue when they were drafted, but I do know Gresham and Rudolph and Pettigrew and etc etc etc were taken in the first 2 rounds and are not worth that pick compared to later or undrafted TEs.
Commander of Awesome
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Dec 10, 2012 1:54pm
Also can't think of a SB winning team where the primary reciever was a TE. Look at the chiefs, chargers, cowboys over the past decade. If your offense is run through your TE you have problems.
Laley23
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Dec 10, 2012 1:57pm
Thats a good point. However, the Pats could have easily won the SB last year. But they would seem to be the exception.Commander of Awesome;1339812 wrote:Also can't think of a SB winning team where the primary reciever was a TE. Look at the chiefs, chargers, cowboys over the past decade. If your offense is run through your TE you have problems.