Alright guys there has been much debate about who is better than who and who is a top 25 player and who is the worst basketball player to ever be born on planet earth(clearly James Harden). Due to Ironman's request it is time to make an official OhioChatter top 25 list.

1. lebron
2. durant
3. love
4. kobe
5. wade
6. CP3
7. melo
8. rondo
9. z randolph
10. westbrook
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24.
25.

Here is the criteria I am starting withsubject to change)
When considering a players stats 3 years is the farthest we will go back. (anything older than 3 years does not really have an effect today imo.)
Must have played at least half of your teams games this year(the rose rule OC style.)

As for the players I am going to take the top 2-3 players on each team(maybe none if the team is garbage) and list the stats for this year and we will compose our list from there:

Avg Per Game	Min	M	A	Pct	3pm	3pa	Pct	FTM	FTA	Pct	Off	Def	Tot	Ast	TO	Stl	Blk	PF	Pts
Josh Smith	34:57:00	7	15.8	44.4	0.4	1.1	35.7	1.7	3.5	48	1.8	5.8	7.6	3.7	3.2	1.4	2.4	3.3	16.1
Al Horford	36:37:00	7.1	13.2	53.5	0	0	0	1.8	3.4	52	2.7	6.8	9.5	3.5	1.8	0.5	1.1	1.8	15.9
Lou Williams	24:15:00	4.5	10.6	42.3	1.5	4.7	31.8	3.4	3.9	87	0.2	1.8	2	3.3	1.4	1.1	0.3	1.3	13.9
Paul Pierce	33:42:00	6	14.4	41.8	1.8	4.5	39.5	5.4	6.5	84	0.3	5.4	5.7	3.2	2.5	1.5	0.3	2.5	19.2
Kevin Garnett	28:51:00	6.2	11.9	52.2	0	0.1	0	3.1	3.9	80	0.9	6.4	7.4	1.9	1.7	0.8	0.8	2.1	15.6
Rajon Rondo	37:00:00	5.6	11	50.6	0.4	1.4	31.6	1.4	2.2	61	0.6	4	4.6	12.9	3.2	1.9	0	2.6	12.9
Brook Lopez	29:42:00	7.9	14.9	53.4	0	0	0	2.6	4.1	64	2.1	4.6	6.8	0.8	1.7	0.5	2.5	2.6	18.5
Deron Williams	36:12:00	5.4	13.6	39.2	1.6	5.4	29.7	4.1	4.9	83	0.5	2.6	3.1	8.8	2.9	1.1	0.6	2.4	16.4
Joe Johnson	37:54:00	6	14.8	40.6	1.8	5.1	34.5	1.9	2.4	78	0.6	2.1	2.8	3.8	1.8	0.6	0.2	1.3	15.6
Kemba Walker	36:26:00	6.1	15.1	40.1	0.8	3.1	26.5	3.7	4.6	80	0.8	3.1	3.9	5.9	2.4	2.1	0.5	2.1	16.6
Ramon Sessions	28:59:00	4.9	13	38	0.4	2.2	20	5.3	6.5	82	0.6	3.2	3.8	4.7	2.1	0.9	0	1.4	15.6
Ben Gordon	25:17:00	5.2	11.6	45.1	2.5	5.1	48.6	2.1	2.4	85	0.4	1.9	2.3	2.9	2.1	0.6	0.4	2	15
Luol Deng	40:41:00	6.8	15	45.4	0.9	3.1	30.6	3.4	4.2	82	2	5.4	7.4	2.8	2.7	0.9	0.3	1.3	18
Richard Hamilton	27:06:00	5.4	11.9	45.5	0.4	1.1	37.5	2.7	2.9	93	0.4	1.9	2.3	2.3	2.2	0.8	0.1	1.7	13.9
Carlos Boozer	29:31:00	5.9	12.9	45.9	0	0	0	1.8	2.6	69	2.3	7.4	9.8	1.9	2	0.7	0.4	3.1	13.7
Joakim Noah	39:00:00	4.9	10.5	47	0	0.1	0	3.1	4	78	3.8	5.9	9.8	4.2	2.7	1.4	2.3	2.8	13
Kyrie Irving	35:09:00	8.2	17.7	46.3	1.8	4.6	39.1	4.7	5.7	83	0.5	3.2	3.7	5.6	4.1	1.1	0.3	2.9	22.9
Anderson Varejao	36:39:00	6.2	11.8	52.2	0	0.2	0	2.9	3.7	78	6.2	9.2	15	3.2	1.8	1.5	0.4	2.5	15.2
O.J. Mayo	34:36:00	7	14.7	47.6	2.9	5.5	52.7	3.3	3.9	85	0.7	2.8	3.5	3.2	2.4	0.7	0.2	2.3	20.2
Chris Kaman	27:05:00	5.8	11.2	51.8	0	0.1	0	2	2.5	81	1.7	5.3	6.9	1	2.1	0.2	1.1	2.7	13.6

Danilo Gallinari	33:33:00	5.2	13.6	38.5	1.6	5.5	29	3.5	4.4	79	1	5.1	6.1	2.4	1.6	0.6	0.6	2.3	15.5
Andre Iguodala	35:13:00	5.7	12.4	45.7	1.4	3.7	38.8	2.2	3.2	68	0.9	4.6	5.5	3.8	2.7	1.1	0.7	1.4	14.9
Ty Lawson	36:05:00	5.3	13.2	40.3	0.8	2.8	28	1.9	3.3	59	0.9	1.8	2.7	7.2	3.3	1.9	0.1	1.6	13.4
Greg Monroe	33:19:00	6.3	13.5	46.3	0	0	0	3.2	4.5	70	2.6	7.3	9.9	3.5	3.3	1.7	0.8	2.6	15.7
Stephen Curry	37:02:00	6.5	15.5	41.8	2.5	6.1	41.3	3.5	3.9	89	0.6	3.4	3.9	6.4	3.2	1.6	0.1	2.9	18.9
David Lee	37:28:00	7.2	14.8	49	0	0.1	0	2.9	3.8	77	2.7	8	11	3.8	2.6	1.1	0.3	3.6	17.4
Klay Thompson	35:04:00	5.8	15.4	37.5	2.2	6.8	32.2	1.6	2.1	80	0.5	3.5	4.1	2.2	2.2	0.4	0.4	2.6	15.4
James Harden	38:46:00	7.1	17.2	41	1.8	5.6	32.6	7.6	9.2	83	1.1	3.4	4.4	5.4	4.1	1.6	0.5	2.3	23.6
Chandler Parsons	37:56:00	5.8	12.4	47	2.3	5.7	40.7	1.8	2.3	78	1.3	5.4	6.6	3.5	2.1	1.1	0.2	2	15.8
Patrick Patterson	29:57:00	6.1	11.9	50.8	0.8	2.1	36.4	1.2	1.5	79	1.9	3.3	5.1	1.1	1.2	0.6	0.7	2.1	14.1
Omer Asik	32:17:00	4.2	8.4	50.3	0	0	0	2.5	4.4	57	3.8	8.3	12	1.2	2.8	0.8	1.2	2.6	10.9
David West	34:19:00	7	14.6	48.1	0	0.2	0	3.3	4.4	75	2	6.3	8.3	2.7	1.8	0.7	1.2	1.9	17.3
Paul George	35:04:00	5.5	13.7	40.2	1.9	5.2	36.6	1.7	2.1	82	1.1	5.6	6.6	3.3	2.5	1.3	0.7	2.7	14.6
George Hill	35:19:00	5.1	12.6	40.7	1.4	4.6	31.7	2.7	3.3	83	0.6	3.4	4	5.3	1.8	0.9	0.3	1.8	14.4
Jamal Crawford	28:54:00	5.8	12.9	44.5	2.1	5.2	39.8	4.1	4.3	95	0.1	1.7	1.8	1.7	1.8	1.1	0.1	1.1	17.6
Blake Griffin	33:10:00	7.2	14	51.3	0	0.2	0	3.1	5	62	1.6	7.3	8.9	3.1	2.6	1.2	0.6	3.2	17.5
Chris Paul	34:10:00	5.7	11.8	48.3	0.9	2.9	32	3.9	4.4	89	0.6	3.1	3.6	9.3	2.3	2.6	0	2.6	16.2
Kobe Bryant	36:59:00	9.4	19.3	48.6	1.9	5	37.8	7.3	8.4	87	0.7	4.6	5.3	4.9	3.9	1.6	0	2.9	27.9
Dwight Howard	36:04:00	6.6	11.2	59.2	0.1	0.1	100	5.3	11.3	47	3.6	7.8	11	1.7	3.1	1.2	2.7	3.7	18.6
Rudy Gay	37:05:00	7.1	16.8	42.2	1.2	3.1	38	3.3	4.2	78	1.5	4.5	6	2.3	2.5	1.4	1	2.2	18.6
Zach Randolph	36:48:00	6.9	14.1	48.7	0	0.2	0	3.9	5.1	78	5	8.3	13	1.4	2.4	0.8	0.7	2.5	17.7
Marc Gasol	36:33:00	5.7	11.3	50.6	0	0.2	0	4.4	4.9	90	2.3	4.9	7.3	4.4	1.5	0.7	1.4	3.4	15.8
Mike Conley	34:32:00	5.1	10.7	48.1	1.7	3.8	45.6	3	3.7	82	0.6	2.3	2.9	6.3	3	2.5	0.3	2.3	15
LeBron James	37:35:00	9.9	18.6	53	1.4	3.3	42.3	3.7	5.7	65	1.6	7.6	9.1	6.8	2.5	1.2	0.9	1.9	24.8
Dwyane Wade	33:47:00	7.8	15.9	48.8	0.2	0.8	20	4.2	5.4	77	1.1	2.8	3.9	4.8	2.2	1.3	0.7	1.8	19.8
Chris Bosh	33:50:00	7	12.5	56	0.2	0.9	21.4	5.1	5.9	86	2.4	5.8	8.2	1.5	1.9	0.6	1.3	2.4	19.3
Monta Ellis	35:05:00	7.1	17.8	40.1	0.8	3.6	21.1	3.6	4.3	85	0.5	2.6	3.1	5.1	2.8	1.4	0.6	1.6	18.6
Brandon Jennings	36:00:00	6.6	15.8	41.5	1.9	5.1	37	2	2.5	80	0.6	2.8	3.4	6.3	2.3	2.5	0.3	1.5	17
Kevin Love	34:16:00	6	16.9	35.6	1.1	5.9	19.5	6.3	9.3	68	3.6	11	15	2.1	1.9	1.1	0.4	2.3	19.4
Nikola Pekovic	31:08:00	5.4	11.2	48.4	0	0	0	3.4	4.6	73	2.9	4.6	7.4	1.3	2.2	0.8	0.9	2.7	14.2

Ryan Anderson	32:47:00	6.6	13.9	47.1	3.3	7.7	42.3	1.1	1.3	86	2.3	5.6	7.9	1.4	1.1	0.4	0.3	2.6	17.5
Carmelo Anthony	35:30:00	9.2	19.8	46.4	2.3	5.3	43.5	5.9	7.3	80	2.1	4.8	6.9	2.1	3.1	0.8	0.6	3.1	26.6
Raymond Felton	33:15:00	6.2	14.4	43	1.8	4.3	41.2	1	1.5	67	0.6	2	2.6	6.8	2.4	1.4	0.1	1.8	15.1
J.R. Smith	33:14:00	4.9	11.8	41.8	1.3	2.9	45.7	2.4	2.7	88	0.4	4.7	5.1	2.8	1.1	1.3	0.4	2.6	13.6
Tyson Chandler	29:35:00	4.5	6.3	71.3	0	0	0	3.2	4.1	79	3.8	5.1	8.9	0.5	0.9	0.6	0.7	2.9	12.2
Kevin Durant	39:09:00	8.5	16.6	51.4	1.6	3.5	45.5	7.8	8.7	90	0.7	7.8	8.5	4.4	3.3	1.6	1.6	1.6	26.5
Russell Westbrook	35:40:00	7.5	17.9	42.1	1.4	4.2	33.8	4.4	5.7	77	1.3	3.6	4.9	8.7	3.5	2.1	0.3	2.8	20.9
Kevin Martin	29:34:00	4.6	10	46.3	2.2	4.6	47.7	4.2	4.5	93	0.2	2.3	2.4	1.6	1.6	1.2	0.2	1.9	15.6
Serge Ibaka	31:25:00	6.1	10.3	59.5	0.2	0.6	25	2.1	2.4	87	2.2	5.3	7.5	0.4	1.6	0.2	3.3	3.3	14.5
Jrue Holiday	38:03:00	7.1	15.6	45.4	1.1	3.1	36.4	2.9	3.8	78	0.9	2.7	3.6	9.3	4.1	1.4	0.4	2.4	18.2
Thaddeus Young	35:06:00	6.4	12.1	52.8	0	0	0	1.7	2.7	61	2.1	5.3	7.4	1.3	1.3	1.5	0.9	2.7	14.4
Evan Turner	34:38:00	5.4	12.4	43.8	0.7	1.7	43.3	2.8	3.4	81	0.8	6.2	7	3.9	1.8	0.9	0.3	2.6	14.4
LaMarcus Aldridge	38:35:00	8.5	18.6	45.9	0	0.4	0	3.8	4.9	77	2.1	5.8	7.9	2.8	2.2	0.8	1.2	3.2	20.8
Damian Lillard	37:37:00	6.5	15.2	42.7	2.4	6.3	38.9	3.6	4.3	83	0.8	2.4	3.3	6.3	3.3	1.3	0.2	2.2	19.1
Nicolas Batum	39:21:00	5.9	13.7	43.3	2.6	6.9	37.6	3.1	3.8	82	1.6	4.7	6.3	3.2	2.5	1.7	1.1	1.8	17.6
DeMarcus Cousins	29:35:00	6.4	15.4	41.7	0.1	0.1	50	3.1	4.3	72	3.2	6.3	9.5	2.1	2.6	1.4	0.6	3.4	16
Marcus Thornton	28:48:00	5.7	13.3	42.7	2	5.9	34	1.8	2.3	78	0.9	2	2.9	1.5	0.8	0.7	0	2.1	15.1
Tyreke Evans	32:23:00	5.7	12.6	45.5	0.4	1.6	27.3	3.1	3.6	84	0.8	4.4	5.1	3.8	2.1	1.4	0.6	2.4	14.9
Tim Duncan	31:15:00	7.6	14.1	53.8	0.1	0.2	66.7	3.6	4.7	78	1.9	8.1	10	2.6	1.5	0.9	2.4	1.9	18.9
Tony Parker	32:29:00	7.6	15.5	48.8	0.4	1.1	33.3	2.6	3.4	75	0.3	2.8	3.1	7.1	2	0.7	0.1	1.8	18.1
Manu Ginobili	24:30:00	3.9	9.7	40	1.5	4.7	31.4	2.5	3.1	79	0.2	2.9	3.1	4.3	2.2	1.4	0.3	1.9	11.7
DeMar DeRozan	37:00:00	6.9	15.3	44.9	0.5	1.6	32.1	4.1	5.2	79	0.8	4.2	5	1.9	1.7	1.1	0.2	2.4	18.4
Andrea Bargnani	34:30:00	6.5	16	40.4	1.6	4.6	34.6	2.8	3.4	83	0.9	3.6	4.5	1.4	1.8	0.7	0.6	2.1	17.4
Kyle Lowry	31:37:00	5.3	12.6	42.4	1.8	4.7	37.5	4.6	5.8	80	1	4.8	5.8	5.6	2.4	1.7	0.8	3.5	17
Al Jefferson	33:18:00	7.2	15.2	47.2	0.1	0.3	20	2.3	2.9	79	2.4	8.1	11	1.9	1.5	1.1	1.2	2.6	16.7

Never make a thread per I92's request. /thread

Unnecessary

I'd say we can probably eliminate a good 20-30 of those with common sense. But I will leave that up to you guys. tell me who to eliminate and where to rank the rest

Not sure if this is the goal, but this thread definitely will not end the top 25 arguments in the NBA random chatter thread.

Give it up

ill start with the obvious. lebron is 1, durant is 2. not even an argument in my mind.

1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Kevin Love
4. Chris Paul
5. Kobe
6. Rondo
7. Howard
8. Westbrook
9. Z Randolph
10. D Williams
11. D Rose
12. Melo
13. Kyrie
14. Wade
15. Dirk
16. Aldridge
17. Ellis
18. Gay
19. Jennings
20. Josh Smith
21. Varejao
22. Duncan
23. J. Johnson
24. Pierce
25. Granger

That's a lot of work. There's only 2 people that believe Harden is a top 25 player on this forum.

Pick6;1337217 wrote:1. Lebron
2. KD
3. Kevin Love
4. Chris Paul
5. Kobe
6. Rondo
7. Howard
8. Westbrook
9. Z Randolph
10. D Williams
11. D Rose
12. Melo
13. Kyrie
14. Wade
15. Dirk
16. Aldridge
17. Ellis
18. Gay
19. Jennings
20. Josh Smith
21. Varejao
22. Duncan
23. J. Johnson
24. Pierce
25. Granger

I pretty much agree with this list, but I'd put Howard, Jennings, and Josh Smith a little lower.

sleeper;1337219 wrote:That's a lot of work. There's only 2 people that believe Harden is a top 25 player on this forum.

this is not my top 25, this is the ohiochatter top 25. I will make the list as the clear majority dictates.
but I do lol at jennings and ellis above guys like james harden or stephan curry

sleeper;1337220 wrote:I pretty much agree with this list, but I'd put Howard, Jennings, and Josh Smith a little lower.

Once you start getting to 15, kind of hard to put in an order.

gport_tennis;1337221 wrote:this is not my top 25, this is the ohiochatter top 25. I will make the list as the clear majority dictates.
but I do lol at jennings and ellis above guys like james harden or stephan curry

Jennings and Ellis have scored at a decent rate consistently over their career. More impressive that they are putting up decent numbers while sharing the rock. When Harden scores 25+ multiple seasons while being "the guy", I'll consider him.

jennings average 19 pts last year on 17 shots a game. harden scored 17 points on 10 shots a game last year, curry 15 points on 11 shots a game. I thought jennings number would be better than what they are, he has never broke 20 points a game and his points per shot is not very good. he does have a very good asst/to ratio though like 2.5/1 for his career. ellis is just a chucker who barley averages 1 point per shot and plays lousy defense in my book.

what does top 25 matter?

gport_tennis;1337227 wrote:jennings average 19 pts last year on 17 shots a game. harden scored 17 points on 10 shots a game last year, curry 15 points on 11 shots a game. I thought jennings number would be better than what they are, he has never broke 20 points a game and his points per shot is not very good. he does have a very good asst/to ratio though like 2.5/1 for his career. ellis is just a chucker who barley averages 1 point per shot and plays lousy defense in my book.

Like I said, I'll consider Harden if he shows consistency over a period of time. Would you consider OJ Mayo at top 25 guy because he is having a good season with Dirk out?

And if you want to take Ellis out, fine by me. I'd replace him with Al Harrington.

1. Lebron
2. KD
3. wade
4. Chris Paul
5. Kobe
6. Rondo
7. kevin love
8. Westbrook
9. Z Randolph
10. D Williams
11. howard
12. Melo
13. Kyrie
14. tony parker
15. aldridge
16. gay
17. harden
18. bosh
19. blake griffin
20. Josh Smith
21. Varejao
22. Duncan
23. J. Johnson
24. iggy
25. Granger

Pick6;1337229 wrote:Like I said, I'll consider Harden if he shows consistency over a period of time. Would you consider OJ Mayo at top 25 guy because he is having a good season with Dirk out?

And if you want to take Ellis out, fine by me. I'd replace him with Al Harrington.

Harden had a great season last year, so its more than just this year. I also put a lot of value on him making the Olympic team and winning a gold medal. they aren't bringing any chumps on that team and he made the team clearly if i remember right

al harrington over bosh?

gport_tennis;1337232 wrote:Harden had a great season last year, so its more than just this year. I also put a lot of value on him making the Olympic team and winning a gold medal. they aren't bringing any chumps on that team and he made the team clearly if i remember right

al harrington over bosh?

Eh I remember Harden choking in the finals. Not necessarily chumps, but not necessarily top guys, either. Iggy, Chandler, Davis,

added a couple more to the top 25 "official" anybody disagrees tell me who to put where

Look it's simple, we can settle this right now. Harden has the potential to be a top 25 player and a franchise player in the league; but he is not right now and he is overpaid relative to his achievements on the court. Houston was desperate to get fans in the stands and when you get desperate you make stupid decisions. If we paid players for potential, Irving should get a max contract right now and a 90% stake in the Cleveland Cavs. Sorry, but we don't.

Also, Kevin Love is the 3rd best player in the league, not Kobe. Kobe is 5th at best.

sleeper;1337345 wrote:Look it's simple, we can settle this right now. Harden has the potential to be a top 25 player and a franchise player in the league; but he is not right now and he is overpaid relative to his achievements on the court. Houston was desperate to get fans in the stands and when you get desperate you make stupid decisions. If we paid players for potential, Irving should get a max contract right now and a 90% stake in the Cleveland Cavs. Sorry, but we don't.

We are not going to settle this. I think Harden is a top 25 player right now. Not in the future, not 3 years down the road, right now he is a top 25 player. He is an elite scoring guard/forward that can defend at a very high level. This is all right now. This is not what I think he will or could be. This is all right now.